Your "Go to" Cow Tuna Hooks and why?

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  1. Bill W

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    I have been using the knot a long time and have seen some slip on the 3 turn. But using 40-50# I use a 4 turn and under that I use a 5 turn and that works pretty good to hold the loop and the tag end. With a 3 turn I had a few big fish that have pulled down the tag end close to getting in the knot but the tag end would have to go through the wraps. (As you were close) As far as pulling the loop, any solid bite will pull it down to the hook eye, I retie when that happens.

    The loop strength 862937D7-6A9D-4D64-A2C7-D9B5D7F0BA8E.jpeg depends on how many wraps you use for the line. And how hard you pull back. This is 80#.
     
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    VMC Dynamics in 8/0 and 10/0. Totally sick hook for bigger baits.

    Could be a new go to cow hook. IMG_9031.jpg
     
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    Couple of thousand go to Cow Hooks - not discontinued - yet. IMG_9034.jpg IMG_9036.jpg IMG_9028.jpg
     
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    I melt a little ball on the tag end of my knots as an extra measure against it pulling through
     
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    Hmmmmmm...

    John, what would you think about using these hooks on the chunk?
     
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    Usually, had a 180# on 80# soft steel for almost two hrs and the knot never pulled down (three turn)
     
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    As I have said before more than once, the reason why I don't use that 3-turn uni is because I just can't seem to get it to come out right. It never looks like this one. Believe me, I have tried quite a few times, too.

    That is the reason why I have used the San Diego Jam at times, pulled back to leave a loop. I tie a solid SD, and I have no fear that it might slip. I don't melt a ball on the end of my tag end, but it is something I might consider in the future. That knot setup has certainly never failed me!

    In general, though, I do prefer ringed hooks, and for years now have been using a Trilene knot in line up to and including 200lbs. That knot has never failed me either, and I have absolute confidence in it.
     
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    Not usually for me, but remember one time it did. To pull the tag end in each wrap has to rotate around the barrel and around the hook eye, kinda hard to do...
     
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    Jim,

    Yep. Really nice chunk hook.

    Salami Mack hook, Slimy mack.

    I cant believe the size of the wire on the 8/0 and 10/0. Massive.
     
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    Gotta rethink “all hooks bend or break” quote...
     
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    I have some of the 10/0 Dynamics.....I will never bend or break one...just sayin...
     
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    For what it's worth, that means I would probably only use this hook for chunking then, but that's just me. For live bait fishing, my search has always been for a hook with a better strength-to-wire-diameter ratio. More than that, it';s not that I want a hook that is super strong, but rather that I want a hook that is strong enough.

    I think my reasoning is pretty straightforward. I want the hook to seat itself in the corner of the jaw, where it has the least possibility of deforming. I want a thinner wire because it causes less damage to the bait and also penetrates better in the fish' mouth. I want a conical point because it is less likely to cut a wide hole over the course of what I hope might be a pretty long fight.

    Thus far, there is no perfect choice. I like the Charlie Brown hook best of all...so far...but it is a little thicker wire than I like. The regular Mutu is pretty good, but it is offset, as is the Hayabusa. I am tempted to try the L2004 hooks by Eagle Claw...the one that Fishy uses...but I am a little leery of how many people claim to have bent or broken them.

    And in general, I do prefer circle hooks. But chunking, wire size is less important, and the VMC Dynamic might be the best of all worlds.

    Just my $0.02.
     
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    Buy some VMC Dynamic 10/0 hooks and compare them to Mustad 7691 10/0 for size including the shank thickness. Sardines are affected by hook size, big baits not as much.
     
  14. Steve K

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    Those look pretty cool. Something very manly about a box of 1,000 hooks! I like it.
     
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    You should see the invoice for them!!
     
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    Now that is funny!
     
  17. Steve K

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    Can only imagine. Thanks, John.
    And I’ll bet that one from Quick Rig will be a whopper, too.
     
  18. Steve K

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    I wonder how well these hooks would respond to Gary’s modifications, adding a grommet or ring and grommet to the eye?
     
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    He is getting 300 of them for grommets.
     
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    Definitely a robust hook. Tuna will fear these! LOL
    One thing I hadn't noticed before is the slight indent in the conical point. I don't know if it's a design feature or a result of the manufacturing process.
    VMC Dynamics 10-0.jpg
     
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