Offshore You only need your rail rod: Heartbreak on the San Diego 5-28-23

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Great report. I just returned from a 3 day and we had a bunch of those nice grade fish on drop shot style sinker rigs using circle hooks. We had a few where the hooks pulled but the majority landed had the circle hooks right in the corner of the mouth so they could not chew thru the 80lb....
Where is the report? LOL
 
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  • Dec 11, 2011
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    Could someone explain how to rig the new sinker method? Thanks
    It’s not new, it’s the same way we’ve been rigging when fishing squid for yellows and WSB except they tie a weaker line to the bottom of the ring rather than just tie a palomar with a 6ft tag end.
     
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    Rubberhook2

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    It’s not new, it’s the same way we’ve been rigging when fishing squid for yellows and WSB except they tie a weaker line to the bottom of the ring rather than just tie a palomar with a 6ft tag end.
    I think it's a little different. When I fish a dropper loop for sea bass and yellow it is a spiders hitch to a double uni out to the hook with the sinker hanging below. The doubled lead going out to the hook being 8 to 10 inches long.

    The drop shot rig I used for the bluefin used a ringed 2/0 Mutu circle hook with 80lb flouro tied to the ring and a 4 foot section of 12lb mono tied to the same ring 180 degrees from the flouro knot down to the 12 ounce sinker. The hook sticks out at a 90 degree angle with the point of the hook facing up. Hook rides right up against line with no lead out to the hook like a dropper loop rig. Sardine is pinned up thru lower jaw out thru the head between the eyes. This rig lets you bomb a bait down to depth like a jig with no tangles or fouling like happens frequently with a rubber banded sinker above the hook....

    I was skeptical about the drop shot rig and how it would properly hook a fish in the corner of the mouth but both of my fish were hooked perfectly with the circle hook. Bites felt like a blue perch pecking at the bait but I would just wind down and come tight....
     

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  • Dec 11, 2011
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    I think it's a little different. When I fish a dropper loop for sea bass and yellow it is a spiders hitch to a double uni out to the hook with the sinker hanging below. The doubled lead going out to the hook being 8 to 10 inches long.

    The drop shot rig I used for the bluefin used a ringed 2/0 Mutu circle hook with 80lb flouro tied to the ring and a 4 foot section of 12lb mono tied to the same ring 180 degrees from the flouro knot down to the 12 ounce sinker. The hook sticks out at a 90 degree angle with the point of the hook facing up. Hook rides right up against line with no lead out to the hook like a dropper loop rig. Sardine is pinned up thru lower jaw out thru the head between the eyes. This rig lets you bomb a bait down to depth like a jig with no tangles or fouling like happens frequently with a rubber banded sinker above the hook....

    I was skeptical about the drop shot rig and how it would properly hook a fish in the corner of the mouth but both of my fish were hooked perfectly with the circle hook. Bites felt like a blue perch pecking at the bait but I would just wind down and come tight....
    “Drop shot” rig just as you describe has been a go to rig for inshore yellows and bass since I started kayak fishing back in 2010. Maybe it’s just an SD thing but it’s the same except we just tie a palomar to the ring with a long 6ft tag end, stick an 8 oz weight on the end, pin two squids on and send it down.
     
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    Rubberhook2

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    Got it. I have only fished something similar when fishing largemouth bass in freshwater...
     
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  • Dec 11, 2011
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    Got it. I have only fished something similar when fishing largemouth bass in freshwater...
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    Could someone explain how to rig the new sinker method? Thanks

    You start off with a ringed circle hook. Tie your main leader line from your rod to the ring. Hold the ring vertically so the hook is pointed up. Below the knot on the ring, tie some 20-25lb leader and tie a sinker at the end. So from your tip down, it should connect to the ring of the hook, then another knot to light leader to the weight. The purpose of the light line is to snap off during the fight. Make sure when you're holding the line tight, the circle hook is pointed up.
     
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    Rubberhook2

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    I guess (in theory) you could use a thru wired torpedo jig for the weight with beefy line and double your chances? I have been trying to find a thru wired torpedo weight in San Diego, but no luck. I know Jerdog has them, too far to travel. Anyone have ideas on getting one?
    JerDog will ship his sinkers anywhere so no need to travel to meet face to face.

    I have noticed a lot of my local tackle shops in Orange County are now carrying thru-wired torpedo sinkers.

    A guy on my last trip bought a rigged thru-wired torpedo sinker for $48 from Fisherman's Landing. Yeah, you read that right...LOL
     
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    TJBertram

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    Great report and agree 100% on Fisher - he's top notch and one of the best/nicest deckhands that I've fished with. He selected the two baits that got hammered within 20 seconds and I went home stoked with my one day BFT limits
     
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    dwaynesda

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    The San Diego is top notch from top to bottom. I charter them a couple of times a year and we always score. They love to help and teach when you get on the boat but they can not teach you everything in one trip. Conditions change and so do the techniques and the San Diego seems to lead the charge.

    With that all being said, Matt from the San Diego and Gavin on the Pacific Queen have a subscription based learning platform (videos) available to learn a ton of stuff. Right now I think their are about 125 videos available to watch from these 2 experts. I am not affiliated but just trying to let everyone know that if they want more time to learn from these 2, and can not ride the boat, the videos might be a way to improve your catching without riding the boat .

    It is a subscription based platform and you can subscribe for just the few months that you want to join.

    the link for more info is:

    https://www.patreon.com/CaptainsConcepts1/posts

    I hope this is OK to post this up.
     
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    loco jigs

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    Was pretty much the whole boat using a 10-16oz sinkers? What did captain Ryan catch his fish on?

    Great Report....I'm on the San Diego Sunday.
     
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    Kos

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    JerDog will ship his sinkers anywhere so no need to travel to meet face to face.

    I have noticed a lot of my local tackle shops in Orange County are now carrying thru-wired torpedo sinkers.

    A guy on my last trip bought a rigged thru-wired torpedo sinker for $48 from Fisherman's Landing. Yeah, you read that right...LOL
    $48....that guy got a hell of a deal! LOL. I was at fisherman's landing last month and they had them for $54. A few of my buddies wanted some. I told them I'll make them for less than half that price. Really only need the through wire if you decide to run a treble hook at the bottom.

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    So when and why did everything change to a 2 or 3 speed reel. Is it just for making it easier for the anglers? I just remember always using only penn senators for the tunas.
     
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