Yellowtail Fishing. Mono-flouro or Braid-Flouro?

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The last few seasons I have been using braid with a short flouro leader. It always seems on the cattle boats the majority of people who are catching yellows are fishing straight mono to a flouro leader with no braid at all. I went out yesterday and three people caught yellows on rental spinning rods with mono as well. I started talking to one of the guys I see all the time when I go and asked why he uses mono and not braid. His response was, " I always know where my bait is with mono.. guys fishing braid to short flouro have no clue where their bait is. The sardine swims different with you have mono vs braid" This guy catches a yellowtail every time I have been out and out of 11 yesterday on the boat he caught 4. I was fishing right next to him all day and no bites for me. Using same size leader and hook. So is there really something to say about fishing mono instead of braid or is just that the older guys who have 40+ years of experience have always used mono and don't see the need to switch.
 

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I usually fish Braid to flouro around kelp, straight mono for jig stick, and braid to mono to flouro for live bait. Good gentle bait handling, paying attention too the birds, and the ability to cast far helps greatly too.
 

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I prefer long mono top shots to fluorocarbon leaders and I usually catch more than my fair share of game fish when on “cattle boats”. I think the advantage over braid to fluorocarbon starts when casting your bait, mono seems to come off the reel better allowing a longer cast. With that ease of mono coming off the reel it presents it’a next advantage of your bait swimming with less drag, it’s not having to pull that tightly packed sticky salty braid off the spool. I agree with the gentleman you fished with that mono allows you to feel your bait much better. It seems to me that guys fishing braid to short fluorocarbon leaders tend to get in more tangles, possibly from not being able to feel their baits very well, and spend more time in those tangles because braid is such a nightmare to untangle and no one wants to get cut out and lose their expensive braid. Less time in tangles equals more time your bait could be in the bite zone. I was amazed at how much time guys spent tangles up while fishing Guadalupe last year. Hope this helps you out. Whichever presentation you use have confidence in it and don’t let yourself get
mind-fucked because then you’ll never get a bite. Oh yeah, I am approaching that 40 year mark of fishing so I may be biased towards mono.
 

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I prefer long mono top shots to fluorocarbon leaders and I usually catch more than my fair share of game fish when on “cattle boats”. I think the advantage over braid to fluorocarbon starts when casting your bait, mono seems to come off the reel better allowing a longer cast. With that ease of mono coming off the reel it presents it’a next advantage of your bait swimming with less drag, it’s not having to pull that tightly packed sticky salty braid off the spool. I agree with the gentleman you fished with that mono allows you to feel your bait much better. It seems to me that guys fishing braid to short fluorocarbon leaders tend to get in more tangles, possibly from not being able to feel their baits very well, and spend more time in those tangles because braid is such a nightmare to untangle and no one wants to get cut out and lose their expensive braid. Less time in tangles equals more time your bait could be in the bite zone. I was amazed at how much time guys spent tangles up while fishing Guadalupe last year. Hope this helps you out. Whichever presentation you use have confidence in it and don’t let yourself get
mind-fucked because then you’ll never get a bite. Oh yeah, I am approaching that 40 year mark of fishing so I may be biased towards mono.
The problem is I like the braid because I don't have to switch it out all time because it doesn't get eaten up by the saltwater as quick. Maybe I will put a 75-80 yard mono topshot on. If so what lb for yellows 25 or 30lb mono?
 

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The problem is I like the braid because I don't have to switch it out all time because it doesn't get eaten up by the saltwater as quick. Maybe I will put a 75-80 yard mono topshot on. If so what lb for yellows 25 or 30lb mono?
That's the best way IMHO. With a longer topshot 50-75 yards, braid lasts a long time. I have some reels with 5 year old braid. I just change the topshots every two trips, usually costs me about $2 per reel. Some days they bite the heavier 30 and 40 lb line, others only light line 15-25 works.
 
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I usually just use straight mono.Sometimes i use a flouro leader with it.
 

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That's the best way IMHO. With a longer topshot 50-75 yards, braid lasts a long time. I have some reels with 5 year old braid. I just change the topshots every two trips, usually costs me about $2 per reel. Some days they bite the heavier 30 and 40 lb line, others only light line 15-25 works.
If I am putting a short flouro leader 4-6 feet what should my mono be for the topshop.. any any mono brand you guys recommend? the guy on the boat yesterday recommended Billfisher
 
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The problem is I like the braid because I don't have to switch it out all time because it doesn't get eaten up by the saltwater as quick. Maybe I will put a 75-80 yard mono topshot on. If so what lb for yellows 25 or 30lb mono?
I should’ve added that the long mono top shots are what I use offshore and when I’m not fishing near kelp beds.I typically use 50-100 yards of mono. Like HighWildFree mentioned there will be a need for setups with different line configurations. Good on ya for doing your research. Part of the fun is doing your homework and putting that knowledge to use on the water. Good luck out there
 

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For mono I only use Izor XXX clear, but most guys seem to prefer the smoke color.
 

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The last few seasons I have been using braid with a short flouro leader. It always seems on the cattle boats the majority of people who are catching yellows are fishing straight mono to a flouro leader with no braid at all. I went out yesterday and three people caught yellows on rental spinning rods with mono as well. I started talking to one of the guys I see all the time when I go and asked why he uses mono and not braid. His response was, " I always know where my bait is with mono.. guys fishing braid to short flouro have no clue where their bait is. The sardine swims different with you have mono vs braid" This guy catches a yellowtail every time I have been out and out of 11 yesterday on the boat he caught 4. I was fishing right next to him all day and no bites for me. Using same size leader and hook. So is there really something to say about fishing mono instead of braid or is just that the older guys who have 40+ years of experience have always used mono and don't see the need to switch.
Were you fishing on the anchor?

That's an interesting observation by your buddy. Mono would have more drag on the anchor or a fast drift. It also floats a little bit - fluoro sinks. I imagine solid spectra sinks as well.

How long was your fluoro leader? It seems like the fish are figuring out the short leader. Last year the tuna wanted a long 15 foot leader and #4 hook.
 

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Were you fishing on the anchor?

That's an interesting observation by your buddy. Mono would have more drag on the anchor or a fast drift. It also floats a little bit - fluoro sinks. I imagine solid spectra sinks as well.

How long was your fluoro leader? It seems like the fish are figuring out the short leader. Last year the tuna wanted a long 15 foot leader and #4 hook.
Yeah we were anchored. Flouro leader was about 6 feet
 

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I like braid with a short topshot of mono for YT. I save the fluoro for finicky fish that require it and YT don't.
 

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Yeah we were anchored. Flouro leader was about 6 feet
Maybe try hollow braid and see if it is the floating aspect of the line.

Try slightly thumbing your spool more often so you are in contact with the bait. Staying in contact with your bait (feeling the tail beat) will keep you out of tangles and fishing the zone longer.

Did you catch more YT before you switched to spectra?
 

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If I'm fishing bait. I use a short top shot to braid.
If I'm fishing the plug, it's straight mono.
Yt's have sand paper for teeth.
 

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I don't think it matters for yellow tail , it’s more about finding the right bait that swims and staying in contact with that bait ...
what pound test were you using?

@RazzRoach did you guys try irons and jigs?
 

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I don't think it matters for yellow tail , it’s more about finding the right bait that swims and staying in contact with that bait ...
what pound test were you using?

@RazzRoach did you guys try irons and jigs?
I was using 25lb. The guy that caught 4 was using 25lb. I always try to get a good bait and keep my line tight enough to feel the bait swimming.
 

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The last few seasons I have been using braid with a short flouro leader. It always seems on the cattle boats the majority of people who are catching yellows are fishing straight mono to a flouro leader with no braid at all. I went out yesterday and three people caught yellows on rental spinning rods with mono as well. I started talking to one of the guys I see all the time when I go and asked why he uses mono and not braid. His response was, " I always know where my bait is with mono.. guys fishing braid to short flouro have no clue where their bait is. The sardine swims different with you have mono vs braid" This guy catches a yellowtail every time I have been out and out of 11 yesterday on the boat he caught 4. I was fishing right next to him all day and no bites for me. Using same size leader and hook. So is there really something to say about fishing mono instead of braid or is just that the older guys who have 40+ years of experience have always used mono and don't see the need to switch.
If you're fishing on a party boat on anchor, I would not use Spectra. Straight mono, no fluoro, with a Mustad wire hook. No real need for a "designer" hook unless it's the light wire stuff like Owner Flyliner.

Using Spectra in the conditions mentioned above can be a nightmare when you "Combat" fish with 20 other guys in the stern.

As you already know, bait selection is KEY.

Or perhaps it's simply the "It's the Indian and not the arrow" syndrome. Or "You either got it or you don't". I guess that day you "don't"?
 
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Were you fishing on the anchor?

That's an interesting observation by your buddy. Mono would have more drag on the anchor or a fast drift. It also floats a little bit - fluoro sinks. I imagine solid spectra sinks as well.

How long was your fluoro leader? It seems like the fish are figuring out the short leader. Last year the tuna wanted a long 15 foot leader and #4 hook.
Spectra floats...
 
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For live bait I use long mono topshot with a short fluoro leader. Surgeons knot.. Works great but it doesn't matter because the seals steal all my yellows..
 

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Hook placement on the bait makes a big difference and can help increase your chances of getting bit. There is a time and place to tail hook, shoulder hook, and nose hook. During a finky bite, especially for BFT, longer leaders help get you bit. I buy Seagar Gold florocarbon on Amazon for cheap, and dont mind using 15 ft leaders.
 
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Hook placement on the bait makes a big difference and can help increase your chances of getting bit. There is a time and place to tail hook, shoulder hook, and nose hook. During a finky bite, especially for BFT, longer leaders help get you bit. I buy Seagar Gold florocarbon on Amazon for cheap, and dont mind using 15 ft leaders.
I usually butt hook/belly hook so the bait dives down when they are deeper under the surface and will nose hook if they are on top