Would You Get The Covid Vaccine?

Would you get the Vaccine?


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dalurker

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I wish they would really crack down on nonmask wearers and people who refuse to socially distance. I see so many people without masks on any time I go out. They are one of the biggest factors in why covid keeps spreading. I am writing an essay on this topic. And as for me, I’ve taken vaccines including flu shots and I think they are a good thing in general but I do not want to take the Covid vaccine because we don’t know the side effects and there’s too much coverage for drug companies should people have serious side effects. If they really want people to be more trusting of the vaccine, they need to be more transparent and also guarantee full coverage of any costs of care should someone have any side effects.
hard to trust anyone of authority when they themselves ignore their own confines.
people will be people and you can't change 'em. you must be your own advocate and do what's best for you. let the "Laws Of Natural Selection" do the rest...

i have systemic issues and will try to wait for the astrazeneca. supposed to be an old skool vaccine and completely different animal from the others. and by the time it's my turn, hopefully it'll be available...
 
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T.O.T.W.

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Yep...gonna get the jabs.

On a sidenote: I wish they had a list of BD usernames available when you book a trip...let you know who's on it, because there are some fvcking douchebags on both sides of the aisle I wouldn't wanna be stuck on a boat with, no matter how bad they're biting....
That made me laugh out loud. A lot of these keyboard lions are lambs on the boat, though. There are some people I’d certainly never want to fish with again, but there are many with vastly different views that I really enjoy fishing with.
 

Tesoro

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Too bad many people didnt make time to do their own research into the COV-2 Corona virus vaccine. If so what they would have found out is that Phizer/Moderna has also done very little! This vaccine is experimental and is the first time synthesized RNA has been injected into humans. They used it in 24 monkeys and they didnt get sick (other the the 8 placebo ones) SO they immediately started the next set of trials on 30,000 humans 5-6 months ago. wow. The test people got paid 100 bucks with promise of another 1000 2-3 years from now if they stick with the monitoring schedule.

As of today they do not know 1) how long immunity will be effective 2) if a vaccinated person can still harbor and transmit the virus and 3) if there will be any long term side effects.

On #3 - the scary part- is that there is a possibility, or an unknown, that this vaccine could manifest into creating some form of auto immune disease down the line. It happened with the initial vaccine trials in animals with SARS COV-1 using a whole dead portion of the real RNA. They then tried it with a snippet of the real RNA but never completed testing due to funding however initial results looked promising. NOW that they have synthesized the RNA for mass instant production like aspirins, they are injecting it into millions of people turning populations of humans into monkeys. Scary shit. No human has ever been vaccinated with synthetic pieces of virus RNA!! There is not one virologist/scientist off payroll who would not say this process should take no less that 10 years to be proven safe. Once that shit is injected into your blood you cant puke it out or get rid of it or let it runs its course. Its not like taking a experimental drug. You have become a GMO like an Arkansas chicken!

However there is one guarantee of immunity for the drug companies as it was classified as an emergency treatment.

If this disease was indeed the 'black death', spreading and killing at a super high mortality rate then I could see taking an unproven vaccine out of an act of desperation. But this isnt the case with Covid-2 Corona Virus. Its not much more deadlier than a bad flu if one spins out all the over reporting.
 

T.O.T.W.

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Too bad many people didnt make time to do their own research into the COV-2 Corona virus vaccine. If so what they would have found out is that Phizer/Moderna has also done very little! This vaccine is experimental and is the first time synthesized RNA has been injected into humans. They used it in 24 monkeys and they didnt get sick (other the the 8 placebo ones) SO they immediately started the next set of trials on 30,000 humans 5-6 months ago. wow. The test people got paid 100 bucks with promise of another 1000 2-3 years from now if they stick with the monitoring schedule.

As of today they do not know 1) how long immunity will be effective 2) if a vaccinated person can still harbor and transmit the virus and 3) if there will be any long term side effects.

On #3 - the scary part- is that there is a possibility, or an unknown, that this vaccine could manifest into creating some form of auto immune disease down the line. It happened with the initial vaccine trials in animals with SARS COV-1 using a whole dead portion of the real RNA. They then tried it with a snippet of the real RNA but never completed testing due to funding however initial results looked promising. NOW that they have synthesized the RNA for mass instant production like aspirins, they are injecting it into millions of people turning populations of humans into monkeys. Scary shit. No human has ever been vaccinated with synthetic pieces of virus RNA!! There is not one virologist/scientist off payroll who would not say this process should take no less that 10 years to be proven safe. Once that shit is injected into your blood you cant puke it out or get rid of it or let it runs its course. Its not like taking a experimental drug. You have become a GMO like an Arkansas chicken!

However there is one guarantee of immunity for the drug companies as it was classified as an emergency treatment.

If this disease was indeed the 'black death', spreading and killing at a super high mortality rate then I could see taking an unproven vaccine out of an act of desperation. But this isnt the case with Covid-2 Corona Virus. Its not much more deadlier than a bad flu if one spins out all the over reporting.
If I were to “do my own research”, what reputable source might I use to come to your conclusions?
 

tommysdad

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If I were to “do my own research”, what reputable source might I use to come to your conclusions?
Well, the first thing you should do is understand that the company name is Pfizer, not Phizer. The vast majority of that post is utter BS. A point-by-point rebuttal would be, pardon the pun, pointless.

It's relatively newer technology and the long-term safety is not yet known (for obvious reasons). That is certainly true. The rest? Crapola.
 

Tesoro

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If I were to “do my own research”, what reputable source might I use to come to your conclusions?
There are 100's of medical journal papers on line on this subject of (messenger) mRNA vaccine experiments for SARS Cov-1 and now comparing to success probabilities of the very similar SARS Cov-2 virus. The medical journals are a mouthful but the discussions/summaries are usually in more plain english.

Your key search words should be "sars cov-2 vaccine mRNA pathogenic priming mRNA"

You can also try with ' antibody dependent enhancement' instead of pathogenic priming.

Read the discussion Part 4 at the end of link below as a primer. I have dozens of similar journals saved up which all make the same conclusion: it is too early to know if auto immune problems can develop in the future to treat the masses. How would you like to get fatal lung disease from this vaccine in a year??!! Let the hypochondriacs and paranoids call it utter BS. Educate yourself so you know what you are getting into. Or not.

 

Tesoro

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Well, the first thing you should do is understand that the company name is Pfizer, not Phizer. The vast majority of that post is utter BS. A point-by-point rebuttal would be, pardon the pun, pointless.

It's relatively newer technology and the long-term safety is not yet known (for obvious reasons). That is certainly true. The rest? Crapola.
oh my god a spelling mistake.... crapola? you must be brainwashed by CNN. There is no way you would say that and endorse this vaccine now unless you believe 1) Covid-19 kills the healthy 2) you are in a high risk category with multiple comorbidities and scared 3) Covid-19 USA statistics are accurate and not over blown out of proportion.

Why then would you want to take a non reversible medical treatment when you say "the long term safety is not yet known" unless you are a guinea pig who has learned to type.
 

tommysdad

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oh my god a spelling mistake.... crapola? you must be brainwashed by CNN. There is no way you would say that and endorse this vaccine now unless you believe 1) Covid-19 kills the healthy 2) you are in a high risk category with multiple comorbidities and scared 3) Covid-19 USA statistics are accurate and not over blown out of proportion.

Why then would you want to take a non reversible medical treatment when you say "the long term safety is not yet known" unless you are a guinea pig who has learned to type.
You have a reading comprehension issue. In no way did I advocate for this vaccine. It is a very personal decision that every individual will need to make. But when people post outright falsehoods on the issue, others may read them and come to the wrong conclusion.

" This . . . . is the first time synthesized RNA has been injected into humans. " is a falsehood. And since you have posted about medical journals, you know it is a falsehood. Here is a 2018 review listing multiple clinical trials of mRNA vaccines: https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243

" There is not one virologist/scientist off payroll who would not say this process should take no less that 10 years to be proven safe." is a falsehood. A simple Google search reveals that. There are a number of scientists raising concerns (as they should), but these are relatively minor.

" Once that shit is injected into your blood you cant puke it out or get rid of it or let it runs its course. Its not like taking a experimental drug. You have become a GMO like an Arkansas chicken! " Not even sure where to start on this one. There is no "genetic modification". None. Zero. Zilch. And taking this vaccine is EXACTLY like taking an experimental drug, since it has only been out a very short time.

So, yeah, crapola. And individuals need to make personal decisions without listening to crapola.
 

Tesoro

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No crappola! This vaccine is synthetic. The other mRNA vaccine tests you referenced were done with the real deal. Big difference. Butter vs Margarine. The gmo arkansas chicken was a bit of humor injected in. Yup our genetic makeup isnt altered just our immune system is trained to react, and hopefully to not over react to a virus by this vaccine. If it over reacts down the line then u are fucked worse than the disease it was reacting to in the first place.

the concerns by independent scientists are not minor. There are procedural issues that are being shortcutted to get this out to market unlike any other vaccine in modern history. Even the fda advisory committee hearing for approval was shortcutted and all concerns for long term effects were stifled by the chair. 1 in 5 virologisrs on the board did not vote yes to approval because of the the unknowns.

The bottom line is this vaccine is far from ready to be mass distributed to the sheeple.
 
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Tesoro

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Even if it is relatively effective people need to realize its no magic bullet that works right away. My 84 yr old dad told me the other day he is getting the shot and then looking forward to getting back to the casino....
 
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I guess I will wait a bit. I'm just writing a college essay on the topic "Covid 19 Vaccine Effectiveness". We will probably hear about immediate problems, if there are any. But whatever happens a year or more later will not be blamed on the vaccines. So we will never know how many people get serious illnesses from it.
 

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I guess I will wait a bit. I'm just writing a college essay on the topic "Covid 19 Vaccine Effectiveness". We will probably hear about immediate problems, if there are any. But whatever happens a year or more later will not be blamed on the vaccines. So we will never know how many people get serious illnesses from it.
Your college professor is most likely a flaming liberal so unless you want a C-, you might want to change your topic! Maybe you should do one on why the recent DOT regs on giving airlines the option to refuse emotional support animals is WRONG.
 
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lougio

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Your college professor is most likely a flaming liberal so unless you want a C-, you might want to change your topic! Maybe you should do one on why the recent DOT regs on giving airlines the option to refuse emotional support animals is WRONG.
You don't seem to understand how college or science works. They want you to challenge ideas and not just go along with everybody else.
 

Tesoro

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You don't seem to understand how college or science works. They want you to challenge ideas and not just go along with everybody else.
Oh yeah I do I went to a liberal college moons ago! ( U of O). Try writing an essay on the logic and merits behind Eugenics and see what grade you get today, unless your prof is over 60.
 

lougio

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Oh yeah I do I went to a liberal college moons ago! ( U of O). Try writing an essay on the logic and merits behind Eugenics and see what grade you get today, unless your prof is over 60.
That's a fucked up topic but what did you get?