Wind and waves

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  1. FVSerenity

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    Yeah I hate to call it but I’ve been at it long enough to know better, years of experience getting beat in the strait to know 4 ft wind waves and I’m out. I check the hein bank buoy and the dungeness lighthouse to make that call:)

    I’ve been going offshore for a few years now and I like to be cautious but I also don’t want to miss out on a fine fishing day:)
     
  2. FVSerenity

    FVSerenity Captain

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    The day we went it was beautiful out there, I was a little surprised at the waves gettin back in that place.. bears watching
     
  3. FVSerenity

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    Hah, yeah, I was out there in serenity a few years back and the waves were getting bigger and bigger the further we went, got to the point I was wondering what we are doing out there, I said well, we might as well just fish cause we are only making 15mph, we were both getting sick when !! Were on were on were on! And just like that it was a lake! Or we quit worrying, lol

    I ain’t going this weekend but I dam sure don’t want to miss the 21st!
     
  4. FVSerenity

    FVSerenity Captain

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    And yes, after fishing the strait for 15 years I’ve learned to hate wind waves
     
  5. wdlfbio

    wdlfbio Once you go Cat, you never go back

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    1). I cant count how many times having a “S” in the wind forecast has fucked me. But I know it’s been most of them.
    2). I don’t mind running in the windy stuff, but trying to fish in it just isn’t fun. Like others have said, sometimes it is worth it to push through the bad to get to the good.
    3). If the wind and swell at 90° or so, I’m probably out.
     
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  6. Mpizzle

    Mpizzle Bobber down!

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    I’d agree running in it is never the issue so much as fishing in it. Especially trolling in bad wind chop. Fuck that!
     
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  7. Genie Aye

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    A Great point!!
     
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  8. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill Drinking the Suzuki Kool-aid and liking it!

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    Well discretion is certainly the better part of valor. It Is critical to know when to turn and tuck tail as it is much safer bucking a big head sea than than running before a big sea at your back.
     
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  9. FVSerenity

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    Do you mean that the wind and swell are 90 out from each other or 90 as in east?
     
  10. FVSerenity

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    I know, I’m always amazed at how fast waves can travel. If you can’t keep up in certain circumstances it could be bad.
     
  11. FVSerenity

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    I really appreciate all of the input, it helps me judge if I am being too cautious or not. I’m definitely in the live to fish another day camp. But I also don’t want to not go fishing just because my no/no go criteria were flawed.

    I usually call it based on the forecast because like @hawksfan75 said, it’s a long drive to find out the weather sucks. if marginal I might use the go and see how it is method depending on how motivated I am.

    I use the NVS nanoos website as it seems more reliable than the NOAA forecast. You just have to figure out how to use the tool:)

    I don’t like fishing in heavy chop in the strait but it’s probably not going to kill you (at least in happyhours), the ocean on the other hand can, has and will continue to do just that.
     
  12. Elkfins

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    There are a variety of factors that will determine if I'm running or not as most have pointed out above. One that only Patrick partially mentioned is if the forecast is calling for an increasing or declining wind. If it's shitty in the morning, but calling for a declining wind in the afternoon/evening, I'll be much more willing to tough out the shitty morning forecast. If the wind is forecast to increase or start coming from the south, I'm less likely to want to be 30 miles offshore when that shit blows in.
     
  13. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill Drinking the Suzuki Kool-aid and liking it!

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    Some of the roughest water I have encountered has been in the straits of JDF. Big tide flows with adverse winds can team up with long fetch and blow it up pretty good. On top of that you have reefs and banks that can stand the waves up steep and confused. That being said when I go fishing out to the ocean I will run my boat through the staits everytime vs trailering. Much safer than our roads and all the wingnuts. See ya all in Neah soon!
     
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  14. richardp

    richardp I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Ditto this part, anyone want to "practice" closer to home go run around hells half acre on a large ebb and sw wind.
     
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  15. FVSerenity

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    I got 2 flat trailer tires the last time I went to lapush! What is up with that road from PA!
     
  16. FVSerenity

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    There was a hali day in the strait last year that NOBody should have been out in! But there we all were. Stupid wdfw!

    It was brutal and then add the heavy fog and it was stupid and brutal, radar don’t help a lot when boats are below the wave height.

    That was the worst day I’ve seen out there. Took me 2.5hrs to go 25 miles...
     
  17. wdlfbio

    wdlfbio Once you go Cat, you never go back

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    Wind and swell are 90° ish to each other
     
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    Todd’s Extreme Fishing

    Todd Girtz ( Lingcod Todd)

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    WEATHER INFORMATION/ FISHING GEAR

    Weather Web Sites

    1.www.wrh.noaa.gov/sew/

    2.www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/marine/BarObs.php ( bar observations & restrictions)

    3.www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/marine/bars_mover.php ( ocean bar cameras)

    4. http://www.windfinder.com

    5.magicseaweed.com

    6. wunderground.com

    7. wetsand.com/surfreport/



    VHF

    1.WEATHER INFO WX CH 1, WX CH4

    2.COAST GUARD CH 16 (CH 22 is also used by the coast guard to help keep Ch 16 clear)

    3.Fishing talk(other fishermen) neah bay Ch 68 & 79 , Westport Ch68, ilwaco Ch 11, Puget sound Ch 68


    Coast Guard & Bar information

    Cape Disappointment Ilwaco 360-642-2382 Bar Report 360-642-3565

    RADIO AM1610 VHF 16 & 22 every 20min

    Grays Harbor 360-268-0121 Bar report 360-268-0622 RADIO AM 1610

    Quillayute River La Push 360-374-6469 Bar report 360-374-6993 RADIO AM 1610

    Neah Bay 360-645-2237

    www. Tide and Current Predictor (reference only)

    The bar at Westport and Ilwaco will be rough even if the ocean is calm if the ebb(out) flow is 2MPH OR FASTER! - 2 mph = bad! - 3 mph = Very bad!! - 4mph = very very bad!!!

    On days when the ocean is rough the bar can be very bad even when there is very little flow on it. Best to cross at slack tide or the first part of incoming.

    if you cannot cross at slack, cross on the incoming tide (FLOOD)

    Avoid a hard flood also on rough days 3mph or more can be a problem but not even close to as bad as a -3mph ebb. Always avoid crossing on an outgoing tide (ebb) max ebb is the worst time to cross!



    Wind & wind waves (reference only)

    10 knots or less = 0 to2 foot wind waves = good

    10 to 15 knots = 1 to 3 foot wind waves = ok but check swell height & period

    10 to 20 knots = 2 to 5 foot wind waves= poor check swell and period(swell will start to build)

    15 to 25 knots 3 to 6 foot wind waves = bad ( swell will be building )

    25+ knots = 5 + foot wind waves= very bad (swell will be building very quickly and the period may get tighter)

    Swells(reference only)

    A swell of 10 foot or bigger is very large use extreme caution

    If the swell period is smaller than the sell height the water will usually be very rough

    5 feet at 14 seconds= very good but check wind

    7 feet at 12 seconds = good but check wind

    8 feet at 14 seconds = ok check wind

    8 feet at 10 seconds = poor

    8 feet at 7 seconds = very bad



    If combined seas are bigger than 9 feet use extreme caution (reference only)

    Wind waves or (current waves) + swell = combined sea

    5 foot swell + 1 foot wind waves = 6 foot seas = good

    7 foot swell +1 foot wind waves = 8 foot seas= good but check period

    8 foot swell + 1 foot wind waves = 9 foot seas = ok check period

    7foot swell + 2 foot wind waves = 9 foot seas =ok check period

    6 foot swell +3 foot wind waves = 9 foot seas ok to poor check period (with a 3 foot wind wave the swell will start to build)

    8 foot swell + 4 foot wind waves = 12 foot sea= very bad(swell will be building quickly)

    Any time you have a wind wave of 5 foot or bigger the water is going to get very rough and the swell is going to build very quickly a 5 foot swell can change to a 10 or 12 foot swell in a

    matter of minutes under these conditions!



    A typical day on the water would be a 7 foot swell at 11 seconds with NW wind 10 to 15 knots With a max ebb of -2.7

    On a day like this I would go fishing but would not cross the bar at or near max ebb.
     
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  19. FVSerenity

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    Wow, that’s a lot to process!
     
  20. goatram

    goatram Notable Member Gate Keeper to the Great Northwest

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    Look at LC Todd's Post for his description of the wind. If it's blowing 15 to 20; I learned my lesson already. Happy to stay on the beach. Anything over 2' wind waves will suck.for the other people on the boat. Call me a pussy but shit turns fast and I'm getting where I like to enjoy the fishing not the soreness the next day. Granted current boat there is less of the soreness then the old Northriver.

    your post of this is what got you the EMOJI's
    "The so called "rules" are bullshit."
    Sounds about normal for you to post that; but I find it rather Brash!

    brash

    braSH/
    adjective
    adjective: brash; comparative adjective: brasher; superlative adjective: brashest
    self-assertive in a rude, noisy, or overbearing way.
    "he could be brash, cocky, and arrogant"
    synonyms: self-assertive, pushy, cocksure, cocky, self-confident, arrogant, bold, audacious, brazen, bumptious, overweening, puffed up; More
    forward, impudent, insolent, rude
    "a brash man"
    antonyms: meek
    • strong, energetic, or irreverent.
      "I like brash, vibrant flavors"
    • (of a place or thing) having an ostentatious or tasteless appearance.
      "the cafe was a brash new building"
      synonyms: self-assertive, pushy, cocksure, cocky, self-confident, arrogant, bold, audacious, brazen, bumptious, overweening, puffed up; More
     
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