Why was the Excel at SCI?

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I don't get this. Why is the fishing slow? By what standard? It hasn't been for me, and I fish a small private boat with limited bait capacity and simple (by comparison) electronics. Other private boats I know and have seen here are whacking them too. My brother had limits of nice YFT on a little 17' boat and no bait just a few days ago. A 5 day on one of the world's finest sportboats fishing rockfish? WTF, over! Maybe the capt took a vote and the charter decided on that, but I'd personally be pissed. I'd rather work hard and scratch for tuna, or kelp yellows, long before I resorted to cod! I'm confused.
Besides the cocky deckhands (alot of boats hire), crazy fish cleaning prices, "sleeping rack" surcharge etc this is another reason I stopped fishing on sport boats years ago. These guys have huge bait capacity, electronics that lead the industry, big water capability, comfortable dry conditions and they can't find yellowtail or tuna within private boater range. Like eltoro I am hard pressed to believe that. When things get slow
In SoCal water we trailer to San Quintin and Loreto. Beats being yelled at by some guy with his boots folded
Half way down blowing cigarette smoke
in everyone's faces. In all fairness, maybe things have changed in the sport boat fleet since I last used them. It's been at least 10 years since I have been on one. When I used to use the SD sportboat fleet, the fishing was good and the customer service wAs terrible. Perhaps they are inversely proportional. Good fishing/bad service ... bad fishing/ good service. I'm inclined to believe el toro, these boats can find the same fish the private boaters are locally, but then the price would have to reflect the shorter trips.
 
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I don't get this. Why is the fishing slow? By what standard? It hasn't been for me, and I fish a small private boat with limited bait capacity and simple (by comparison) electronics. Other private boats I know and have seen here are whacking them too. My brother had limits of nice YFT on a little 17' boat and no bait just a few days ago. A 5 day on one of the world's finest sportboats fishing rockfish? WTF, over! Maybe the capt took a vote and the charter decided on that, but I'd personally be pissed. I'd rather work hard and scratch for tuna, or kelp yellows, long before I resorted to cod! I'm confused.
The fishery right now is leaning more towards private boats. Fish are up and down real quick. Speed is the key. When they are dragging the hotel around the sportboat is at a disadvantage. Imo
 
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The Angler is on a 1.5 day trip, and yes the fishing is so good right now that the San Diego, which more or less started our early offshore season, has decided to stop fishing offshore and concentrate on fishing the islands for foreseeable future.

Let's get real, the offshore scene is far from wide open, and maybe there are some small pockets of bitting fish that a private boat can do well with, but, overall it's more about large pockets of non-biting fish. These boats aren't fish watching expeditions, they need to catch fish to keep people coming. Also I doubt the Excel went to Clemente for rockfish, they obviously were there for yellowtail, you know that fish they catch so many of down at those islands they can't go to anymore. If they fished offshore for yellows you all would be bashing them as baby killers.

The people that booked these trips booked them before anyone knew what closures or fishing was going to be, I'm sure the boats will adjust next years schedules to be in a better position (6+ days that can get down to the ridge). They just need a little time and maybe some better fishing to do so. It's still June after all, we should be lucky we all aren't still codding.
 

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It's not the end of the Long Range fleet. They just have to change their operations, targets, etc., as they have had to do countless times in the past, as the fishing changed.

The business model of the Long Range fleet - and what separates it from local operations in Mexico - is a long distance cruise in which you're weeks out at sea, without ever touching land. They should go back to that model, and run more trips thousands of miles down south to the banks no other boats can reach, instead of the 5 or 6 day trips to the coast of Mexico where they're competing with local pangeros for the same near shore fish.

That was the beginning of the trouble once the pangeros started organizing and complaining to their politicians.

The Long Range fleet can also run north for albacore or hell, salmon and halibut in Canada or Alaska. Not the best use of their time I agree, but it is still an option.

And as I've said in the past, one of the missing experiences they could capitalize on is deep drop trips in Mexico targeting large bottom fish, sword fish, etc. This is an opportunity not generally available to Californians because of our restrictive depth limits.

But yeah, it's not the end of the fleet, it's just the end of cheap and easy access to Mexico's coastal fisheries, which were getting over fished by the locals any way and so couldn't have sustained the Long Range fleet for long.
 

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The Angler is on a 1.5 day trip, and yes the fishing is so good right now that the San Diego, which more or less started our early offshore season, has decided to stop fishing offshore and concentrate on fishing the islands for foreseeable future.

Let's get real, the offshore scene is far from wide open, and maybe there are some small pockets of bitting fish that a private boat can do well with, but, overall it's more about large pockets of non-biting fish. These boats aren't fish watching expeditions, they need to catch fish to keep people coming. Also I doubt the Excel went to Clemente for rockfish, they obviously were there for yellowtail, you know that fish they catch so many of down at those islands they can't go to anymore. If they fished offshore for yellows you all would be bashing them as baby killers.

The people that booked these trips booked them before anyone knew what closures or fishing was going to be, I'm sure the boats will adjust next years schedules to be in a better position (6+ days that can get down to the ridge). They just need a little time and maybe some better fishing to do so. It's still June after all, we should be lucky we all aren't still codding.
I am guessing we will either start our 3 day (On the Angler tomorrow) at Clemente or end it there. Last year it was 3 days of Yellowtail fishing at San Martin. Was a great trip where they bit the surface iron all day for 3 days. This year will be drastically different. Who knows, maybe we will chase the local Bluefin on the afternoon that we leave and then motor to Clemente overnight and fish there Friday..? Might get the best of what all is currently available to us.
All I know for sure is I will have a good attitude with great friends onboard and a sense of adventure not knowing what is in store for us. I have the utmost confidence Brian will make it an awesome trip for us as he always does. After all, his job is to provide us the opportunity to catch fish. It is our job as anglers to catch them..!! Nothing is ever guaranteed. As Bill Poole once famously stated "We cannot control the weather nor the fish..."
 

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I am guessing we will either start our 3 day (On the Angler tomorrow) at Clemente or end it there. Last year it was 3 days of Yellowtail fishing at San Martin. Was a great trip where they bit the surface iron all day for 3 days. This year will be drastically different. Who knows, maybe we will chase the local Bluefin on the afternoon that we leave and then motor to Clemente overnight and fish there Friday..? Might get the best of what all is currently available to us.
All I know for sure is I will have a good attitude with great friends onboard and a sense of adventure not knowing what is in store for us. I have the utmost confidence Brian will make it an awesome trip for us as he always does. After all, his job is to provide us the opportunity to catch fish. It is our job as anglers to catch them..!! Nothing is ever guaranteed. As Bill Poole once famously stated "We cannot control the weather nor the fish..."
Amen. Worrying about the "whats" and "wheres" is a big chunk of what you are paying not to do.
 

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Keep going and fish the channel islands for Cbass!They have been killing them for the last 4-5 days.Tom
 
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Just a little update. We retured Sunday from our Penn 8-day with an excellent number of YT, Sculpin, Sheephead, Lingcod and Rockfish.

A 8-day trip and they are talking about sculpin and sheephead. Ouch!
 

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Nothing like paying for a 5 day waking up next to overnight and 3/4 day boats
Sign me up lol
 
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The Long Range fleet can also run north for albacore or hell, salmon and halibut in Canada or Alaska. Not the best use of their time I agree, but it is still an option.
Not a hope in Hell of that happening in my country and the last SoCal LR boat who tried doing business in WA state ran home/sold out a few years later crying all the way.
But yeah, it's not the end of the fleet, it's just the end of cheap and easy access to Mexico's coastal fisheries.
More idiotic bull-fishing Mexico with Mexicans is as cheap and easy as ever.
 
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Azarkon

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I was talking about for the long range fleet, people fishing with Mexicans don't help them does it?
 

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Well, isn't this the shits. I sign up for my first LR in my life to celebrate my retirement and 65th birthday aboard the EXCEL for their 10 day on September 24 and all I have heard is (in my opinion) one negative thing after another. Everything from "I tip at least 30% and give the JP to the crew" to the customers unloading the boats holds and pushing the carts up the ramp, "it is tradition" ..I call BS...Now they are fishing SCI? My boat is more than adequate for SCI..WTF? This better not turn into a great big friggen boat ride to the coast of Mag Bay......I could have booked a cruise on a luxury liner for less............Hard to keep a good attitude at this cost.............AP
 

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My dad used to come home from 15 day trips bitching he couldn't bottomfish. He should be happy now.
 

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Well, isn't this the shits. I sign up for my first LR in my life to celebrate my retirement and 65th birthday aboard the EXCEL for their 10 day on September 24 and all I have heard is (in my opinion) one negative thing after another. Everything from "I tip at least 30% and give the JP to the crew" to the customers unloading the boats holds and pushing the carts up the ramp, "it is tradition" ..I call BS...Now they are fishing SCI? My boat is more than adequate for SCI..WTF? This better not turn into a great big friggen boat ride to the coast of Mag Bay......I could have booked a cruise on a luxury liner for less............Hard to keep a good attitude at this cost.............AP
apples and oranges, AP...5 day and under is the problem in this thread. 10 days is a whole different story...you will see the rocks and the ridge AND it will be Sept. If you let this thread get you down, shame on ya :D
 

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Don't sweat it Ap. Last year we went to the Rocks and caught Wahoo. Then went to the Ridge and caught Wahoo, limits of YFT and some YT and Grouper.
 
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Is there a reason why there are very few 10 plus days trips in the summer? Are the traditional locations to fish those 10 plus days tris not productive during the heat of summer?
 

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Well, isn't this the shits. I sign up for my first LR in my life to celebrate my retirement and 65th birthday aboard the EXCEL for their 10 day on September 24 and all I have heard is (in my opinion) one negative thing after another. Everything from "I tip at least 30% and give the JP to the crew" to the customers unloading the boats holds and pushing the carts up the ramp, "it is tradition" ..I call BS...Now they are fishing SCI? My boat is more than adequate for SCI..WTF? This better not turn into a great big friggen boat ride to the coast of Mag Bay......I could have booked a cruise on a luxury liner for less............Hard to keep a good attitude at this cost.............AP
:cussing::Bawling_e:hali_parkutuli: :1041677399::rofl:
 

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Well, isn't this the shits. I sign up for my first LR in my life to celebrate my retirement and 65th birthday aboard the EXCEL for their 10 day on September 24 and all I have heard is (in my opinion) one negative thing after another. Everything from "I tip at least 30% and give the JP to the crew" to the customers unloading the boats holds and pushing the carts up the ramp, "it is tradition" ..I call BS...Now they are fishing SCI? My boat is more than adequate for SCI..WTF? This better not turn into a great big friggen boat ride to the coast of Mag Bay......I could have booked a cruise on a luxury liner for less............Hard to keep a good attitude at this cost.............AP
you should of booked the Cruise in the first place
, because it sound LR fishing won't be your cup of Tea
you sound like the Deer Hunter that want to just go
out in the woods and have the Deer tied up
to a Tree, so its a easy kill. Wow
 

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Well, isn't this the shits. I sign up for my first LR in my life to celebrate my retirement and 65th birthday aboard the EXCEL for their 10 day on September 24 and all I have heard is (in my opinion) one negative thing after another. Everything from "I tip at least 30% and give the JP to the crew" to the customers unloading the boats holds and pushing the carts up the ramp, "it is tradition" ..I call BS...Now they are fishing SCI? My boat is more than adequate for SCI..WTF? This better not turn into a great big friggen boat ride to the coast of Mag Bay......I could have booked a cruise on a luxury liner for less............Hard to keep a good attitude at this cost.............AP

What I see here is "first LR trip in my life".

......some of this has been said, but that's never stopped me before...... :rolleyes:

So, it's called fishing. The Skipper, no matter which boat, is going to take the boat and passengers to wherever he has the best opportunity to put his customers on fish. (it won't be on a 10 day, but so what if it's SCI). The Skipper is putting his reputation, and your return business, on the line each and every trip, so you gotta believe that he is gonna make his decision based on the latest intel available to him (which is a LOT), and then weighing his options on where, logistically, he can get to. Most of this, he has no real control over. (the parameters)

I used to ride a handful of LR trips a year. (having my own boat now, I've cut back to just 2)
I used to worry about how much fish I would bring home.
I used to stress over not getting bit.
I used to wonder if I had enough tackle.

After running my own little boat for over 3 years now, I get on those LR boats and just breathe a huge sigh of relief......because I am now not the Skipper, with all of the associated pressures to make sure that my crew and I catch fish! You know the work it takes to run your own boat, and now, for the next XX days, you are on vacation! No worrying about fuel, bait, ice, food, fish filleting, boat clean up, boat maintenance, slip fees, CG inspections, yada yada, the list is endless.

Now, when I get on my LR trips, I worry about: (in no particular order)

did I bring enough alcohol?
did I remember my towel?
do I have enough sunscreen?
which meals am I going to skip so I can still fit in my pants?
do I have all my device charging cords?

I could go on and on....but the point is, I get on the boat to get away, have a good time, and have an opportunity to catch some fish.

I have learned to enjoy the experience, and not worry about all the day to day crap. I think it's made me a better fisherman, and I KNOW it's made me enjoy the trip alot more than I used to.

......that's my $.02 I've not ridden the Excel (yet). Go have a good time. :D

.....let it go man, just enjoy your trip.
 

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Well, isn't this the shits. I sign up for my first LR in my life to celebrate my retirement and 65th birthday aboard the EXCEL for their 10 day on September 24 and all I have heard is (in my opinion) one negative thing after another. Everything from "I tip at least 30% and give the JP to the crew" to the customers unloading the boats holds and pushing the carts up the ramp, "it is tradition" ..I call BS...Now they are fishing SCI? My boat is more than adequate for SCI..WTF? This better not turn into a great big friggen boat ride to the coast of Mag Bay......I could have booked a cruise on a luxury liner for less............Hard to keep a good attitude at this cost.............AP
Dude you are the last guy I would want to fish with out on one of those nice shiny luxury boats. You should call and get a refund you still have plenty of time. Go buy your own boat and then you can do your own thing and be tangled up , broke down , and miserable all by your lonesome. Yur not cut out for this type of fishing, trust me on that.
 

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Well, isn't this the shits. I sign up for my first LR in my life to celebrate my retirement and 65th birthday aboard the EXCEL for their 10 day on September 24 and all I have heard is (in my opinion) one negative thing after another. Everything from "I tip at least 30% and give the JP to the crew" to the customers unloading the boats holds and pushing the carts up the ramp, "it is tradition" ..I call BS...Now they are fishing SCI? My boat is more than adequate for SCI..WTF? This better not turn into a great big friggen boat ride to the coast of Mag Bay......I could have booked a cruise on a luxury liner for less............Hard to keep a good attitude at this cost.............AP
You should get a refund for your trip. Doesn't sound like you have the right outlook or mentality to fish long range with other people. Sounds like you have a really good chance of being "that guy" to everyone else on the boat. You have acknowledged you've never done a long range trip but you call bs about what's traditional or not? And as to where you go and what you fish for, it will be where the skipper feels you'll have the BEST chance of putting a good trip together. Its not a conspiracy. Sometimes it works out that the best fishing is local. Would you rather go on a long boat ride for nothing or fish where the fish are and catch some?

Quit your bitching about everything or do your fellow passengers a favor and get that refund and just fish by yourself on your own boat.
 

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I booked an 8 day in October knowing full well the closures were eminent. I can back out and get a full refund on the boat I'm on, because there is a wait list but screw that Im going on an 8 day vacation and I'm fishing. I'm choosing to just roll with whatever happens, and maybe get my first Wahoo...
 

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I booked an 8 day in October knowing full well the closures were eminent. I can back out and get a full refund on the boat I'm on, because there is a wait list but screw that Im going on an 8 day vacation and I'm fishing. I'm choosing to just roll with whatever happens, and maybe get my first Wahoo...
A 8 day in October is nothing like the 5-day trip fishing now. The ridge is kicking butt but way to far for the 5-days. As what lm seeing today (6-22) things are bad but the fish are there and we just need to wait.