White Seabass hatchery a failure

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Maybe if they would have used that $40 million over the last 35 years to buy out ALL of the gillnetters off our coast, the over all improvement to the entire inshore/offshore species, besides just the WSB and Halibut, would have benefited???
They need to just ban the fuckers. Gill netting is gay :gay:
 
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It's flawed methodology. This seems painfully obvious to me. Growing them in pens is a mistake. They should hatch them then release them immediately. Obviously fish that grow up in pens lack the skills necessary for life in the wild. Larval seabass develop in the plankton for about five weeks. They should release them in that planktonic stage in areas that they are known to be found so they then develop naturally with the instincts they need to survive long term. It would save time money and have a much higher success rate.

Fish grown in tanks or pens only understand tanks or pens, this is why the tank grown butts do not know how to properly bury themselves.

I appreciate the idea and all the effort but to succeed with a hatchery they are going to have to release those fish into the wild ocean in a non-imprinted larval stage.
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Jim Day...
The hatcheries in South Carolina and Texas that raise Red fish and Sea trout release their fish when they are very small...I may be wrong but I believe it's less that 100 days...
They also raise the fish in large ponds with brackish water that they pump in and they raise them on natural feed...
Both those states strongly support their hatchery programs and fund them to be successful.
Please show up at the public meetings and offer creative info such as this to Hubbs and the DFW.
It's our program...we fund it...lets make it it what we want.
 
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Jim Day...
The hatcheries in South Carolina and Texas that raise Red fish and Sea trout release their fish when they are very small...I may be wrong but I believe it's less that 100 days...
They also raise the fish in large ponds with brackish water that they pump in and they raise them on natural feed...
Both those states strongly support their hatchery programs and fund them to be successful.
Please show up at the public meetings and offer creative info such as this to Hubbs and the DFW.
It's our program...we fund it...lets make it it what we want.


Yea I think the quicker they get them in the ocean the better.

Honestly I think the funding is probably going to be pulled. I read that out of 2 million fish released they have had less then 200 adult fish captured. That's unbelievably bad. These fish are not salmon which re-imprint naturally when they get in the ocean. I'd love to help. Send me the info on the meetings and I'll drop by.

Ever see the fish under the lights at MDR, and Dana? I bet those are all hatchery fish thinking if they hang out in the harbors they will get fed. Get the OK and we can catch some of those MDR fish and check for tags. Though they are under mostly under 28 they there are some full grown fish and they are easy to safely catch in release in that shallow water. I bet money those are all hatchery fish that just do not know how to survive in the wild.
 
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FYI,I dont know anyone that turns in heads of the rec fisherman.A couple of them catch hundreds of Cbass.I have never turned one in myself.Al with the charter boat I think has turned some in but not sure.No turned heads in no good info.FWIW,Tom
 
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"Honestly I think the funding is probably going to be pulled."
Sorry Jim...that's not so easy to do...this program and the saltwater stamp funding was established in 1983 by the California legislature with AB1414 that formed the Ocean Resources Enhancement Hatchery Program (OREHP)...funding is supplied by a special stamp paid for primarily by sport fishermen.
That's why I say it's OUR program..
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"No turned heads in no good info.FWIW,Tom"
Thats the Truth Tom !
 
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"Honestly I think the funding is probably going to be pulled."
Sorry Jim...that's not so easy to do...this program and the saltwater stamp funding was established in 1983 by the California legislature with AB1414 that formed the Ocean Resources Enhancement Hatchery Program (OREHP)...funding is supplied by a special stamp paid for primarily by sport fishermen.
That's why I say it's OUR program..
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"No turned heads in no good info.FWIW,Tom"
Thats the Truth Tom !
Good!! I want it funded.

What has been the return rate on heads? Like how many have they scanned total? Do the commercials turn in heads? What percentage of their catch?
 
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Getting accurate science on seabass is hard at best. I've twice taken fish to the Long Beach fish and game off shoreline drive. They had spaghetti tags implanted in the backs of them. They had coded numbers that had all the data involving them. They even said where to take them ( which I did) there was a small reward for bringing the tag in. Not a single person there knew anything about it! I even gave them the tags showing them that they were the ones requesting that data! I just walked out dismayed about the lack of comprehension. Im just one fisherman, how many others have experienced that same situation? Lost science, lost data!

We need to get Mueller on this right away..in about 10 years he'll have it all figured out..just as soon as he figures out Stonehenge.
 
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We need to get Mueller on this right away..in about 10 years he'll have it all figured out..just as soon as he figures out Stonehenge.
Personally I didn't think it was that difficult, tag says take it to fish and game, fish and game says we know nothing about it! Not much to infer from that, except fish and game is inept.
 
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Yup, kill the program and use the (surplus :/) money to paint the streets of LA white at $40G a mile. Sure the paint only lasts about seven years but look at what it might do for the environment (oops, I mean temperature) in LA and what it will do for a politician’s career. I know there’s a lot of miles of roadway in LA, but whatever, there’s plenty of money available.
Our futures are all safe in the hands of politicians.
 
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Whether California will decide to end its program and close the hatchery or move forward with a different species is yet to be decided. The state's Department of Fish and Wildlife is planning to hold a set of regional public meetings in the coming months to gather input.

That input — from scientists, fishermen and the public — will be critical to the future of marine enhancement programs, says Theresa Sinicrope Talley, a coastal specialist with California Sea Grant who led the review of the seabass program.

great. another long, slow, useless goat and pony show on the horizon. :shake:
 
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I would suggerst that doubters read the actual Sea Grant Evaluation.
https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=154110&inline

Thomas Edison had thousands of failures before he had produced a viable lightbulb. Where would the world be if scientists quit after every setback? The majority of discovery begins with failure.
In terms of actual science there was a 1% survival rate of hatchery-raised seabase returned back to research facilities such as Hubbs. However there were several other scientific objectives with this study. The media with their simpistic scope picked up on " the one" the survival/ return rate and highlighted this lack of success. The scientists now have several new factors to reseach for increasing survivability of wsb released back into the wild. In addition the body of knowledge gained from this process is profound and is being applied to other species using aquaculture in an environmentally clean and heathy manner. Read the findings or at least the summary.
 
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    DFG should post signs at all piers showing pic of juvenile white sea bass and notices to release them. They are been caught and kept because of lack of information and enforcement. Of the millions spent, how much would some signs cost!
     
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    What’s the alternative? Close the fishery for a year and see what happens?
    These dildo political puppets will find a way to steal this money as well.
    Mark my words. They all need raises again.
     
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    summary:
    "The program is not, however, currently in a position to substantially increase the abundance of White Seabass, with hatchery fish released by the OREHP over the last 30 years having contributed less than 1% to the wild White Seabass fishery."

    If they can get rid of the cormorants, sea gulls. pelicans, and seals when the wsb are released, I'm sure the number would be higher. Until then? They are just high-priced bird and seal food.
     
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    Have to call BULLSHIT on this post.

    I remember when it was DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to catch WSB on our coast.

    Now, it's pretty easy if you know what you are doing!

    Are these the same people that claim the oceans will swallow us alive?

    Pretty sure EVERY ROCK I have seen for the last three decades look EXACTLY the same as far as how much is out of the water.

    It's funny that the only people talking about catastrophic sea level rise never actually get out to see the ocean!
     
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    At the bait dock in del Rey we never caught seabass before the hatchery program started .. after it started as expected they would swarm around the dock so thick that a dead sardine couldn't sink further than 3 feet before disappearing...
    That continued over the next 5 or so years and we were able to get some bigger fish each year...
    My last couple of years there I started to get legal fish..one weekend I had 5 legals fishin barbless...
    It seemed that the population was maturing just fine in the harbor even though they were surrounded by predation of all types....
    Hard for me to believe that a good number of hatchery seabass don't survive to maturity...
    As far as returned heads I've never done it and don't know any that do..
     
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    all I needed to see in order to completely discount any hint of authenticity in that article was "NPR".

    NPR is in bed with the environmental lobby. Oh, they don't have an agenda, do they.......hmmmm......talk about cooking the books.......
     
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    White seabass commercial landings for 2017. 1/4 million pounds divided by 18# average for commercial fish Thats 12,500 fish. Pretty average per year.

    Almost all come from a couple key area's like Ventura, Cortez Bank, Imperial Beach, etc. in a short period just after season opens in mid June via drift gill nets outside the 3 mile ban.

    Halibut over 1/2 million pounds. Over 25,000 fish

    Per conversation with DFG. See table below for all California commercial fish landings.

    https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=159547&inline
     
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