Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by Rodless_Jim, Sep 27, 2017.
I am getting a lot of recommendations for Tilefish over Predators. Can someone give me a breakdown on how they differ? Why will I like them better?
I will indeed end up with more than five. Probably nine, to be honest. But I am starting with five.
I had a long conversation with Jamie, which was very enlightening. Another discussion with JohnTFT that was equally instructive. Rather than agonize over it, I pulled the trigger, and ordered the following:
1 - Wahoo Jr
2 - US 76 Predators
1 - US 80 Tilefish
1 - CP70HP
Ken Bush will build them for me when he gets a chance. Unlikely that any of them will be ready by the time my trip rolls around (Ken is always swamped with orders...he's that good), so I will probably be borrowing in the meantime. But this will reconstitute the most important pieces of my "light" arsenal, and keep me fishing for seasons to come.
Thank you everyone for your input! Thank you Ken, John, and Jamie for showing real friendship when I needed it. You restore my faith and rekindle my passion. I won't forget!
Awesome line up Jim: tell us how you're planning to set each one up. Reel, line, and expected techniques: I'm always curious to learn from others. Thanks!
I have 3 UC rods so far
UC 76hp for 40# with a JX
Tilefish 80 for 50# with a JX Raptor
Viper for 100# with a Mak 20 SEa
The 76hp and the Tilefish were my go to rods on the Phenix 10 day for 40 & 50#.
I predict you will end up with more UC rods eventually, Mark.
Jim, I expect to set up and use these rods in a fairly conventional way. I chose them for their wonderful versatility along with their quality and action.
I see the Wahoo Jr. as a 30-40lb rod...for me, mostly 30lbs. It is especially ideal (IMO) as a rod for fishing live bait for wahoo. It is light and casts exceptionally well, and the action seems medium fast. That action makes this the ideal rod for the trip I just took, too, catching schoolie tuna up 80lbs. I think its drag "sweet spot" is 10-15lbs, 18lbs in a pinch. I will mount a 2-speed Daiwa reel, either Saltist or Saltiga 40, and fish 11lbs of drag, maybe 12, depending on my leader. If I am using Makai or Blackwater fluoro, I'll push it to 12. Yo-Zuri or Seaguar Blue Label, I'll fish 11. If I need to be super stealthy, I'll use Seaguar Premier, and set the drag at 10lbs.
For me, the Wahoo Jr. is a straight bait rod, though if a trip I am on stops for Calicos, it would be ideal.
These are apparently very similar to the 7' Predators I lost in the robbery. They are the ultimate versatile rod for a Summer/Fall trip of 4-10 days. I will use them as 40-50lb live bait rods, and to throw iron using 50lbs. They absolutely EXCEL at throwing bombs and jigs for wahoo, and on my cow trips, that is how I will use them. The sweet spot should be 13-20lbs of drag, 22lbs for bombs and Raiders. Again, I will use Daiwa 2-speeds. Fishing heavy lures for wahoo, I will probably use a Saltist 40/50, while fishing bait with these I prefer a Saltiga 40/50. For 40lbs, I set the drag at 14lbs at strike; for 50lbs I use 17lbs of drag. For wahoo (as mentioned), I go to 22lbs (i.e. stupid tight).
This rod will fish 40, 50, and even 60 like a dream. It fishes live bait and yo-yo iron fantastically. It's a nice caster, especially with a Raider.
I am taking a flyer with this rod. I've never fished one and only pulled on the blank a couple of times. But it's a nice blank, and several people I know (and who know me) have told me it is an ideal rod for me. This is not the "softer" version...Jamie tells me that the difference between this blank and the Predator 80 is so small as to be considered more of a "nuance" than anything else. But it's a strong rod, and like the Predators, perfect for 40-50lbs. It is also (apparently) a fabulous rod for Raiders. That's how I'll use it, too: throwing Raiders at wahoo. I guess the sweet spot on the rod is 13-20 like the Predators. I'll usually have it set to 22lbs, but since you don't lift with the rod when fishing wahoo, that shouldn't matter. Saltist or Saltiga 40 2-speed.
As of now, this is the rod I will set up with a Raider as the boat leaves the harbor, and leave in a spot up by the bow. Whenever we get a jig stop, that will be my go-to stick.
Like the Tilefish, I bought this blank purely on advice...but come on! When Jamie, Ken Bush, and John Nappo tell me I am going to absolutely love the blank, I'm sold. This is a stronger rod, and I think has a higher sweet spot. My guess is from 15-22lbs. I plan to set it up to fish 50-60lbs...50 for variety trips, 60 on cow trips. What I was told is that this is the ideal rod for Guadalupe, or whenever there are tuna between 60-130lbs around the boat. On a cow trip, this will probably serve as my bait stick, and to throw bombs. For me, the bait stick is key, because I am eager to fish skippies as bait whenever the chance arises. In point of fact, on Excel each angler gets two rocket launchers on the bait station. When we are at Hurricane, I rig my bait maker with a Megabait, and I put that and my big bait outfit (also already rigged) in my rocket launchers. When the skippies show up, I want to be ready to catch one; when I have a skippy to fish, I want that big bait outfit ready to go in an instant.
This rod gets my Saltiga 60-2-speed. Totally bad ass for tuna 30lbs and up, for throwing bombs and jigs, and as a first class bait maker.
How's that, Jim? Did I answer the question?
Dude: that was an awesome post. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to share advice like that. I was thinking about adding the 76 Predator to my quiver: I have the Tilefish Jr, US 76 HP and the CP 70 HP. My Tilefish Jr pairs with Talica 10 for #30. My 76 HP pairs with Talica 12ii for #40. My CP 70HP pairs with Talica 16 for 50-60 duty. Was thinking about getting the 76 Predator to pair with MAK 10 sea or JX Raptor for that versatile 40-50 range. Seems like the consensus is that the CP 70HP (50-80) is a bit more "stout/heavy" than the 76 Predator (also 50-80).. with the Predator working very well in that 40-50 range. Anyway thanks for your great write up. You'll have some great set ups this year. Good luck!
I have had this discussion with a lot of people, most recently with Jamie (fishordie). My take is that company rod ratings are, at best, guidelines. The things you need to consider are:
1. How much drag you plan to fish on the rod.
2. How hard you pull...really.
3. The action you prefer.
There is no explaining "feel." Look for the rod that bends how you want it to bend at the pull you plan to use...and that has the recoil to lift the fish. As far as I'm concerned, that is the only way to choose.
I am ecstatic with my choices.
Yep, if it has the bend you want to see with the drag you want to use then it’s good for that... whatever that is.
I just re-stocked our Mystery discount rod rack.. You guys need to come in to see what U.C. rods are in there... I always put a bunch of surprises in there (Latest models) because we love to see our customers with big smiles on their faces. Additionally, check out our 9 and 10 foot U.C. and other Jigs sticks also on 15% off MSRP while supplies last.. Our Mystery Rod Rack rods and blanks sell out quickly since these are the best prices of the year. Subject to stock on hand.
PM me if you have questions.
Just an update: my new rods are about to be under construction. They won't be ready for a while, but that's OK. Due to family commitments, I had to pull out of my spot on the Team Hoo 16-day the second half half of January. Yes, that is an absolute bummer, but we've got some important stuff happening in my family, and I don't want to miss it.
The good news is that I am set up to go on a cow trip in late April, also 16-days. Those can be pretty amazing trips too, but the waiting is likely to kill me. The consolation prize is, there is just no reason why I won't have my new rods by the time I go.
Thanks again for the interest guys!
Jim, I landed a 270# YFT on Sunday on the Marla IV out of PV. I was using a Mak50II with 130# spectra and a 130# leader on a UC Invictus. I fished the rail using 45# drag at strike and got it on board in 20 minutes.
Very nice Mark! Was the Invictus a 70 or a 76...do you know? And how did you like it? Bait/tactic? Was it Danny driving, or his brother?
Man, you have suddenly become a big fish killing machine!
It was an acid wrapped 76 of Alan Tani's. The Invictus is a beast but it bends pretty good when using the rail with 45# of drag! I have one at home now that I got on black friday. I fished a Cabbalito with a 9/0 4x Mustad circle. Scotty runs the Marla IV with Roberto and Antonio.
Love my 80Predator killer stick. Tilefish is next on the list.
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