Have solid up to 80lb . On my 30 VSW ( Dropper loop with 80 lb mono 100yd ) i do have 130 hollow. Haven't the time to do Cow trips 10-20 days those guys know the ropes on the hollow stuff . When I retire ( 7 more years ) then I'll learn a whole new game on Cow fishing !!!Yeah buddy! Lol just wondering. All my reels have solids. Dont know how to use hollow
IMO there are 5 factors that are for sure when using today's super braids on your fishing reels:Is their some rule of thumb or valid reasoning when to use solid and when to use hollow braid when
spooling up a reel?
Yep. That's why some of the guys who filled their reels with hollow switched back to solid. Like me.Solid fishes better, it casts better (it is more round), when spooled on tight with a proper line winder you can get 10 to 12% more solid on a reel than you can hollow, it is less effected by wind and current when fishing live bait on the surface, and it is less in cost.
|40 LB||10 LB||54 LBS||0.012||0.300|
|50 LB||12 LB||61 LBS||0.013||0.331|
|65 LB||15 LB||76 LBS||0.016||0.407|
|80 LB||20 LB||96 LBS||0.018||0.458|
|100 LB||20 LB||108 LBS||0.019||0.483|
|130 LB||30 LB||147 LBS||0.023||0.585|
|40 LB||10 LB||53 LBS||0.014||0.356|
|60 LB||12 LB||81 LBS||0.016||0.407|
|80 LB||15 LB||135 LBS||0.020||0.508|
|100 LB||20 LB||140 LBS||0.021||0.534|
|130 LB||30 LB||181 LBS||0.026||0.662|
The diameters are so close arent we really splitting hairs here? Yes you will get slightly more line on your reel. But you get much higher ABS so you can fish higher drags if you wish with hollow.
The material is all the same spectra is spectra its sink rate may be better because its solid? When hollow is under tension it wants to close the hollow space. Thats why the finger trap works so well. And if it does sink better, arent there situations where the bait on the surface could conceivably fish better? And sinker fishing is well sinker fishing. Doesnt much matter about drag when you are sinker fishing.
I have not seen any testing but only anecdotal information that solid casts further than hollow. If solid casts further than hollow, whats the performance difference? 5,10,20% ?
Hollow is more expensive than solid.
Connections made with hollow can be made close to or at 100% much easier than solid. Splicing, loop to loop and nail knot topshots are fast and secure. Solid - knots that can be tied incorrectly with far greater frequency than hollow.
I have used both. Caught cows on both. I cant see the difference in the fishability of the two. I do see more connections and more chance of failure with solid to hollow connections. I also dont like relying on knots. I use the loop to loop connection. Many use the finger trap splice connection. Both of those systems offer repeatable levels of strength for topshot connections that knots cant.
JMO your mileage may vary greatly.
Thanks very informative ...Hey John,
In my way of thinking the major difference between the two types of braid fishing line offered today is that Solid is more round and Hollow tends to flatten out under pressure or when laying dry on the top of your spool. The reason you can get 10 to 12% more solid on a reel when line is packed on tight is it is "rounder", and based on personal experience I have found that solid does not dig into itself (under load) or tend to hang up on itself (when casting) as much as the hollow does. IMO solid flows off a conventional reel better with less friction (not catching on itself as much) as it rolls off your spool (I always wet my braid prior to casting as it helps lubricate the surface as the surface of a braided line is not as smooth or as slippery as the mono/copolymer lines)... with that said manufactures of super braids have come a long way with coatings over the past few years which has greatly improved casting performance compared to that waxy finish that was applied to braided fishing lines in the early days of production. When comparing diameters and ABS between the two types you also have to consider that hollow is produced in 12 strand and 16 strand versions which will have an effect on diameter, ABS, as well as cost.
With regards to connections (ease and strength), I believe that the Sebile knot when used with solid braid and performed properly is very strong and reliable... it also has as slim of a profile as the Sato crimped or served hollow connection as the Braid is actually being wrapped around the leader (mono or fluoro) with NO knot ever being made in the leader material... the guys who perfected the Sebile claim its a 100% connection if tied properly (who knows?... but even it's only 75% and I am fishing 100lb string and leader I'm not going to break it pulling on it with a fishing rod), the Sebile also flies through your guides on the cast as there is no connection knot ("bump") on the front end of the connection (both tags are on the rear) and very little on the back end when coming back through your guides. Like all leader/top shot connections, even the hollow insertion method using a serve of Spectra and glue or a Sato crimp and glue they need to be performed properly and then tested before hitting the water or failure can and will occur. Have to remember that solid braided fishing lines have been around a lot longer than hollow braided lines have, and many cow size tuna have been landed on solid braid using numerous knot connections to leader/top shot (some bulky - some not so bulky, some easy to tie - some not so easy to tie )... in fact the largest YFT taken on an LR boat under IGFA regulations (where line, leader and connections are carefully reviewed) was taken in 2010 by a novice cow angler using 100lb "solid" Spectra to 100lb mono top shot connected via an old school knot, and that bad boy went 405.2lbs on a "certified" scale.
Like I previously stated, splicing in a section of hollow braid on the end of your solid braid main line is an option as well (some good methods of doing this that have proven to be strong and reliable when performed properly, and they are not super complicated with the need for numerous tools and/or devices to complete the job).
To each their own as they say...
For those interested... Basic Sebile knot video (no tools needed... just want to note that some improvements have been made to the knot since this 4 year old video was made, but IMO the improvements are options based on personal preferences in securing tag ends with glue, etc. rather than proven strength improvements on the basic knot itself): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA
Tight lines and blue skies!
Sebile, PR, Slim Beauty, Bimini Twist all great KNOTS! I can splice a loop and install a windon in less time than it takes to tie just about all of the knots I listed. I know the loop to loop is 100% (yes some techies will argue that statement) its small strong and you know what its not - a KNOT.
I have no issues using knots on anything from 50# and down. I tie the Bob Sands, Uni - Uni with no issues. On the big stuff no knots thank you.
No right answers. If anyone wants to tie a knot at night with the weather up and the bite is on, knock yourself out. I will just do my loop to loop that I cant screw up and have complete repeatable confidence in my connection.
You say "Tomato" I say Tomato.
John,Amazing. Thanks so much for telling me a loop to loop connection will get hung up in my guides.
I am a better fisherman and rigger after reading that prose.