What's the ideal hook setup for flatfall jigs?

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  1. afraser

    afraser I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I posted this in the long range forum and they suggested to post it here instead.

    Since the bluefin are taking flatfalls quite regularly, I'd like to rerig them with better hooks. I've rigged some with large j-hooks on the back, but that means I need to use really heavy leader for abrasion resistance. I know I could rig a circle off of the front of the lure with a solid/split ring connection to the lure, but since the tuna are inhaling the lure, what about rigging the flatfalls like fishing trolled baits for Marlin with circle hooks? Namely, tying the circle hook to the end of the line and then tying the lure, with spectra, to the bend in the hook. Question is how far to the lure to make sure the circle works correctly? Also, is there an optimum way or material to tie the lure to the hook? Other variants include tying the circle to the end of the lure with assist cord or heavy spectra. I haven't seen any rigged this way, but it seems like it should work and provide less chance for being chewed off. My only concern is sometimes the fish bite on the retrieve too, but tuna tend to turn as soon as they hit a bait/lure, so maybe that won't be a problem either. Any suggestions would be great.
     
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    Yes, thanks, I'm in that thread, but no one had tried the circle hooks. With a 50-70% casualty rate on these bigger fish mostly due to chew offs, I'd like to up my odds with a circle hook. I guess the only way is to try it out, but I was hoping someone had some experience with circles either as an assist hook on front or on the back, or inline like a Marlin bait.
     
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    Post #34 and then there is a discussion about circle hooks starting with post #46 in that thread.

    Personally, I think a circle hook connected to the jig is going to change the way the circle hook was intended to be used. If the fish has inhaled the jig and you're pulling it out of its mouth, the first thing coming out is the jig, which is going to pivot around the corner of its mouth and throw the hook towards the middle of its mouth where it will miss catching in the jaw and come flying out. At least that's what I picture happening when rigged like the photo in post #34. That's a completely different action than a circle hook with bait where it's the hook that does the pivoting around the corner of its mouth. Maybe rigged as assist hooks on the front ring they would do ok.
     
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    Exactly! Which is why marlin rigged might work as the circle hook is ahead of the jig.
     
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    Here you go ....
    This setup will:
    1- Increase hook up ratio
    2- prevent line twist
    3- get more hookups on the retrieve
    4- less casualties
    5- no retying when changing lures ( you will need good split ring pliers)
    6-works with all butterfly jigs


    Ultimate Flat Fall /Butterfly Jig Rigging for Larger Tuna:
    Ditch the stock Hooks as they suck!

    replace with single Owner Monster assist hook 7/0-10/0 and owner 10 split ring and quick rigs sea buoy welded swivel for easy lure changes without retying... attach to 6-10 ft fluoro leader 100-130 lb test = more bites (especially on the retrieve and less casualties)

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    All metal connection with swivels to reduce twist.

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    I saw an article from back east once where the guy was putting circle hooks on the bottom of various iron jigs. He swore by using a swivel so that the circle hook could rotate to do its job.
     
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    What do you guys think about these setups?

    I used owner split rings and 5/0 inline hooks on both the flat falls and the snipers.

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    I have used those hooks on coltsnipers with great success. They hold tuna better than the trebles. Still does not work like a circle though.
     
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    Thanks. Glad they have worked for you. I'm going to be giving them a workout next weekend on a two day.

    I might go pick up another pack of hooks and do a few more just in case.
     
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    I really like that jig Jowo what brand is it!
     
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    Aaro, you really should post a picture of the setup you used on the trip on this thread! It was Great!
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    All the talk about marlin rigging and no pics, anybody got Pics of that set up?
     
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    Post somewhere here where a BD'er went 4 for 4 on Big BFT with this set up.

    I talked with a guy that was on the New Lo Ann and saw dozens chewed off on the Flat Fall, he was going 250# wire. Said they get gut hooked and the. Chew off. That is the reasoning for the 13/0 circle hook.

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    Here is how we've been doing it at Island Fishing Tackle for our customers.

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    Thanks, I had a feeling it was something like this, I didn't know there was a length of braid attaching the hook to the jig.
    What test is that? Any other details would be helpful.
    Thanks
     
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    I used 200lb. Braid doubled, 3 inch piece
     
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    Here are a couple of setups for slow-pitch flatfall style jigs. Big circle hook (8/0 on 500lb kevlar) straight to Figure 8 ring for the big boys, direct pull to the corner of the mouth. Never had a problem with twisting, so no swivel necessary.

    Smaller jigs always tied butterfly style, line to the ring.

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    Are you making your own assist rigs? If so would you mind sharing what brand of kevlar line you are using and where you are getting it from?
     

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