What size rings for doing my own brazing?

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  1. Illkeepfishing

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    I've decided to try brazing my own rings onto some old jigs, having been inspired by some of the threads I've read here and on Senor Tuna. See: http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/hopkins-question.574460/#post-3656633.

    What size rings do I need? I'll be working with Raiders (200 and 125), Salas 6X and 6X Jr., and other similar sized jigs.


    Pangamaster did a nice job of posting links on all aspects of how to do it. [Forgive me if the answer to my question is in there somewhere, but I didn't see it.] Here are the links he posted for those who might be interested:

    http://www.senortuna.com/main/showt...howthread.php?t=31648&highlight=brazing+class

    http://www.senortuna.com/main/showthread.php?t=11107&highlight=ringing+hooks

    http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/th...6x-trebles-or-making-it-a-single-hook.499038/

    http://www.mcmaster.com/#

    I can buy butt rings from Rosco's:
    http://www.roscoinc.com/fishing-tackle/product-detail/american-made-stainless-steel-butt-ring

    1300 ROSCO BUTT RING
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    1300 ROSCO BUTT RING
    Item #: 1300
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    These stainless steel rings, also called "jump" rings are very popular with lure manufacturers and are commonly used on ringed hooks. They are also used by chainmaille hobbyists who create medieval armor and jewelry!

    Size Wire Size ID OD Excise Tax Qty
    1A 0.028 0.114 0.170 N ADD TO QUOTE
    1 0.028 0.130 0.186 N ADD TO QUOTE
    2 0.032 0.150 0.214 N ADD TO QUOTE
    3 0.035 0.165 0.235 N ADD TO QUOTE
    4S 0.050 0.170 0.281 N ADD TO QUOTE
    4 0.050 0.225 0.325 N ADD TO QUOTE
    5 0.057 0.250 0.364 N ADD TO QUOTE
    5A 0.057 0.450 0.564 N ADD TO QUOTE
    5B 0.057 0.336 0.450 N ADD TO QUOTE
    5S 0.055 0.215 0.325 N ADD TO QUOTE
    6 0.072 0.315 0.459 N ADD TO QUOTE
    6L 0.072 0.547 0.707 N ADD TO QUOTE
    6S 0.072 0.250 0.397 N ADD TO QUOTE
    8A 0.105 0.547 0.757 N ADD TO QUOTE

    But what sizes should I get? Thanks. Charles.
     
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  2. jer dog

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    make your own rings just buy some spring wire rods ' and put a piece of pipe of what size ring you want in a 1/2 inch drill '
    just drill a little hole in pipe insert rod and go slow with glove's you can make a lot real quick when your Dunn it should look like a spring '
    then you need a good pair of cutters to cut rings
     
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    any question pm me your number to talk about it
     
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    I quit wrapping my own springs and cutting my own rings out of 5/32 seconds, and 1/8th inch stainless steel tig welding wire and opted for rings pre cut from https://theringlord.com/cart/shopdi...29&cat=Machine+Cut+Stainless+Steel+Jump+Rings Most of the time I am using the 1/4 inch diameter rings, but for my jigs up to 1/2" to 5/8" dia.. Many choices/sizes available from The Ring Lord and I do not have to buy such high quantities. I Opt for the machine cut instead of the saw cut rings. I believe the smooth cut and fit of a saw cut makes a really nice butt weld but not so much filler material in the weld. The jagged end of a machine cut give the weld more surface area to weld to. Now if I could just figure out how to weld their titanium rings then my sardine would not have to carry the weight of a stainless steel ring! :-)
     
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    I Buy 7/16, 1/2, 9/16, and 5/8 SS rings in 12, 14 and 16 gauge for jigs from Ring Lord also.
    I like the machine cut for the heavier rings and saw cut for lighter gauge rings.
     
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    You can always go without a ring and tie a san diego or a uni and leave a loop at the end (don't cinch down against the hook) and that is going to create a ring that is almost invisible and much lighter than steel or Ti.
     
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    for 6x and 6x jr size jigs I u se the 6L which i had Rosco make up years ago which has the 6 wire diameter with the size 8 inside diameter. before that they really didn't have any size that worked well for jigs. For smaller jigs you can use one of the size 5 rings depending on the size jig. Rosco shows the actual sizes on their website. I also had them make up the 6small which has the inside diameter of the 5, the 5small which has the inside diameter of the 4, and the 4s which has the inside diameter of the 3. I use mostly 4s for offshore bait hooks for sardines in san diego and 5small for larger hooks. I use the 6small for cow hooks
     
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    This makes me tempted to do my own as well...
     
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    I ordered my SS rings from Rosco and learned to braze a couple of days before my trip last December. I changed out the hooks on my Raiders and Catchy 33's to Owner Jobus, and I am very satisfied with their performance fishing for wahoos at Alijos. By the third braze it looked really good. If I can do it anyone can do it! I wish I had seen TPeach's link to Ringlord. The sawcut rings are the way to go. I read literature about brazing, and the strongest joints made are when the butts are as flush as possible. I had to file down the butts of the Rosco rings, because I did not like the gap - too wide and uneven.
     
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    Thad, thanks for the link to Ringlord. The sawcut rings are the way to go IMHO.
     
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    Man, this is really GREAT information! Thanks guys!

    I am gonna do it! A couple of questions though:

    Did everyone get there stuff (Equipment) from Home Depot or?
    I assume you gotta make your own jigs for holding the rings?

    This will give me something to play with when not fishing since I never seem to put a jig in the water without modifying it (holes or hooks, etc.)

    If nothing else I won't be a slave to waiting on someone else which I HATE. Sometimes the shops I take it to are fast and sometimes a month. Tired of waiting on people...
     
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    can't believe folks have had any problems with rosco rings, i've brazed thousands and thousands of them and NEVER had a problem, I tried ringlord, wasn't impressed, went back to rosco but then I buy the rings 5000 at a time

    edit-highly recommend the Smith jewelers torch for the easiest and most precise brazing of rings, avail ebay and other places

    2nd edit-just tried to upload pic of the jigs I use to ring hooks using alligator clips, unable to, anybody wants them emai/message me and I send
     
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    For the record, all my brazed Rosco rings held fast on multiple wahoos. Did not give me any problems. It's just my insistence that the gap be as flush as possible that's why I filed it down.
     
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    Great information. Thanks to all.

    Does Rosco's sell rings in quantities less than 5,000? If not, that's a deal breaker for me. But was going t look at Ringlord's web site anyway, after hearing about it here.

    Don't think I want to make my own rings. I'm motivated, but not that motivated. Maybe I'll give it a try after I do some brazing first and get into it. Thank you jer dog for the offer though. Appreciate it.
     
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    Have used rosco rings, but didnt like the sizes and wire thicknesses they offered. So I make my own. I use either stainless tig wire or ss spring wire depending on what wire diameter I am looking for.
     
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    make your own. Cheaper and very easy.

    SS tig wire is the way to go....
     
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    For most iron I think 6L will work, I use 4s, 5s and 6s for hooks. When I ordered from RoscoI did get a smaller order, maybe like 500 rings but I think they charged me extra to repackage. It does take some practice to get the right braze temp. I use a small butane torch and found it much better than the cheap propane torch. Once you get your stand set up to hold the rings you can knock out 40-50 ringed hooks in 10-15 minutes.
     
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    Looks like this butane micro torch from Harbor Freight Tools might work and the price is right:

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    That is similar to what I use. Mine came from Home Depot. Easier to control the flame
     
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    Yep, I use the 12 dollar home depot micro butane torch. Have welded thousands of rings and have only had to replace the torch once.
     
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