What Ever Happened To Stand-up Rods?

Barkoff

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I understand why anglers flat-fall fishing on a party boat might require a longer rod, but when flat-fall fishing on a private boat with lower gunnels, why wouldn’t a 5 1/2 rod with a two speed not be a good choice? Wouldn’t you be better off hooked into a 200lb BF on a shorter rod with the butt in a belt?
I can see using the leverage of a high side-rail, but on 3’ sides?
 
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I use Black Hole 5'2" rods for YFT and Halibut on Center Consoles and 6Pack in AK. Better leverage. 7" BH on sport boat for rail fishing.
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IronMikeAC

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My short answer is no. The longer rod with a 2x tip allows some give and flex when the boat rocks or the fish turns up so you don't send a loose loop down the line.
 
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We all decided we don't give a shit what the igfa says...they think it's OK to fish for big fish and have the rod attached to a mechanical chair and chase the fish with 500hp engi es but we can't pass the rod around an anchor or touch the rail...fuck em
 
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I understand why anglers flat-fall fishing on a party boat might require a longer rod, but when flat-fall fishing on a private boat with lower gunnels, why wouldn’t a 5 1/2 rod with a two speed not be a good choice? Wouldn’t you be better off hooked into a 200lb BF on a shorter rod with the butt in a belt?
I can see using the leverage of a high side-rail, but on 3’ sides?

I fish on my own boat or friend's boats and have a high end tanaguchi belt/harness that I can strap into. I personally can't fish that under the armpit style.
 
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Shimano Penn

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More opinions here:
 
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Barkoff

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I read through that thread, but again it is from the prospective of guys fishing on party-boats with rails sternum high.

But fishing off a Parker 2320, you would have to go to your knees to utilize the rail (gunnel) in that manner. On such a private boat, it most likely will be just you and your rod, following the fish around the boat, with no rail to leverage. That is where and how I'll be fishing and fighting a big tuna if I should be that lucky. I have some older 7' rods, but with the butt in a belt, I'm thinking I will be giving a leverage advantage to the fish.

The point about loading up the rod to cushion the movement of the swell, is duley noted.
 

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If you know how to use the harness and belt you can kill fish with a shorter rod. Been done for a long time on a lot of big tuna. On a PB could be an advantage over a longer rod. All about skill level
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If you want a fighting chance on stand up gear without wearing out your left arm, you need one of these. It don't matter the size the of the rod, 6', 5.5', 5', 6.5'

But you need to maintain leverage on heavy drag over 25lbs. If you're not braced for a sudden run you can either get pinned to the gunnel or overboard.
 

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I sold my Grady White years ago. But when I fished off of my boat there was no way to use the “rails”.
To me a plate, or better yet harness and plate, with a short rod is a great way to go. My two cents is you need a rod designed for stand up in a harness and not a rail rod. They are different in the way they load and where the fulcrum is. Old timers know this. Others still fish large/giant tuna and Marlin stand up on private charters using harnesses. For a long time that was the ticket for LR cow fishing too.
Using our newer 7’ or longer rail rods with upwards of 30lbs in a plate would destroy me or launch me overboard.
 
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Ksurg

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And forgot to add… That’s why my nonLR rods have gimbals. Lastly this is where short bent butts come in too. It allows maximum use of a harness while maintaining a comfortable fishing position.
 
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I’ve seen people using stand up gear in the last few years on long trips. On a small boat it’s probably still your best option for big fish unless you have a fighting chair. On a long range boat, using the rail gives you much more mobility and leverage.
 
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Ksurg

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I’ve seen people using stand up gear in the last few years on long trips. On a small boat it’s probably still your best option for big fish unless you have a fighting chair. On a long range boat, using the rail gives you much more mobility and leverage.
Totally agree. I no longer use a harness on LR. Small private boats is a different matter.
 
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Pacific Jigger

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If you fish the sport or long range boats, the rail-style rods are hands down the best rod for fighting fish. Line clearance off the hull, and a high wide rail pretty much necessitate a longer rod with a much stiffer midsection. They're a specific tool developed to do a specific job and they work very well.
On the other hand, if you fish private boats exclusively, you're absolutely nuts to be fishing a rail rod. The lack of a useable rail and the length and backbone of the rod guarantee you're going to take a beating on a big fish. Will it work? Sure, but you're going to pay a price. The physics don't lie. Using a rod less than 6', with very high recoil and a parabolic bend, fish die fast. Most of my 80# and up gear is built on heavy vertical jigging blanks for good reason.
You'd be amazed how much drag can be used sustainably without a harness when you're using the right rod and technique for the job.
 
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