What 30-50 (or so) reel to pair with a 7' Phenix for Rocks/Lings?

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    Newbie to SW. Been fishing Bass and such. Picked up 7' Phenix Blk Diamond from a BDer. Would like to go out for some rock fish and lingcod soon. Maybe some yellowfin in the spring.
    What reel would you pair for this that's under $250? Thank all!
     
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    the revamp tekota looked nice. small but with good stopping power and line capacity.
     
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    Avet Mxj or Mxl, filled with 50# spectra would be a good all around reel
     
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    First, you said rockfish and lingcod...$250, IMHO, is overkill. Then you said yellowfin. Okay...two different fights...an all metal reel to fit the bill. You can spend $250 or you can save $100-$150 to spend on hollowcore line + assorted tackle.

    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5336488034&icep_item=382628753732

    or

    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5336488034&icep_item=173656723405

    Either reel will do (400+ yards of 100lb braid capacity--more if you go down to 80lb or 65lb ); the 300H will be narrower. You can actually get both reels for a little over $80 at current bids. The advantage of having both is that the 50H's 4.2:1 main gear and pinion set is interchangeable with the 300H's 3.7:1 set. For another $40 per reel, do the follow upgrades:

    http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=18.0
    Since the 50H pics were on the now dead www.senortuna.com server, follow this: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=225.0 for pics; sequence-wise, the guts are almost identical. Would use a smoothdrag.com delrin washer instead for the undergear washer as well as adding one between the spacer and star.

    There's more general info here:
    http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12068.0

    The HT100/CF drag washers will allow the reels to hit 15+ lbs (a 50lb setup, with the 1/3 rule, will required at least 16lbs--15 lbs from top of spool with 1-2 lbs additional resistance from the rod and guides).

    BTW, I put my money where my mouth is...here is my offshore Sealine lineup from the SMF170 to the 600H:

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    A few decisions from you are needed before a proper recommendation can be made:
    Budget? [is this a definite limit?]
    Level-wind? [great for lings/RF, not so good for tuna/yellowtail]
    Star drag or lever drag? [simplicity and castabilty vs. smoother and more adjustable drag performance]
    2-Speed? [not needed for RF, but you may like it a lot for tuna]
    Line system? [What pound test braid, and what pound test topshots will you use most often?]
     
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    The rod is the psw700m? I’d go with an Avet MXJ with 50# spectra. That’s the reel I use on my psw808mh for 25#.
     
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    Lots of good info, thanks all! Looked at (handled) the Avet and they're very nice. Compared it with the same (20-30 sized) Saltist, Fathom and Torium reels. All feel about the same in both the star drags and lever drag versions. Hard to distinguish.
    I'm told that Diawa, Shimano and Accurate (saw that one too) each have OC support which is handy. Others you have to ship back. That might be a way to downselect.
    Is that a serious factor with you?
     
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    Budget? As another put it, in this range that should be more than enough.
    As for lever/star, need some thoughts.
    Won't need a 2-speed in this range.
    I would figure my line is about 20-30 flouro backed by the appropriate braid
     
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    For Rockfish, I like a levelwind reel such as the Daiwa Saltist in the 20 size: good value.

    A step up in price would be a Daiwa Lexa HD 400 with gear ratio of 6.3:1 or 5.1:1. My choice would probably be the 6.3. This is a smooth reel that is light and low profile, fun to fish with. Only problem is this reel may or may not be sufficient for YFT.

    A reel that would do both Rockfish and Yellowfin Tuna, but at a higher price, is the Shimano Tranx 500... but at a higher price!
     
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    Thanks, Medy. Might be a stretch to envelope both in one rig. But I guess it would be cheaper to step up the rig than to buy 2 setups!
    Got a great deal on that Phenix Blk Diamond 700M. Maybe I can find a used reel that can work for both? Not sure.
     
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    You can get a used LX 2speed for under $200 these days.
    I have 1 with 65# braid for $190.
     
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    What rod did you get? That would help us help you pick a reel.
     
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    It's at the top: Phenix Black Diamond PSW-700M, 7 foot Moderate
     
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    Which model? I'd be interested.
     
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    Avet LX 6/3.
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    Star vs lever= simplicity and castability vs. smoothness and fine gradients of adjustability. Your call, but if you decide you also like a level-wind, you are pretty married to getting a star drag.
    Correct that for most 20-30 pound work, 2-speeds are not really needed, "however" several scenarios have popped up this year with 45-65 pound tuna only biting on 30 pound tackle. In this case, a 2-speed is crucial to success.
    In the Penn Fathom series, a "15" size reel is the most popular for that line class.
    FTH15LW= Perfect lingcod/rockfish reel, but as a levelwind not ideal for tuna. $199 retail, 19 ounces.
    FTH15= Star drag "non-levelwind" works great for casting very light live baits or small/medium jigs. Easily handles tuna up to about 40 pounds. $199 retail, 15 ounces.
    FTH15LD2= 2-speed lever drag. Still casts small baits well, tons of power when dropped into "low" and super drag performance. Not necessary at all for RF or local fish, but anything that doesn't spool you will get landed. $249 retail, 15 ounces.
     
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    It’s a 25-30lb rod, Andros/metaloid 5, Fathom 12/15 star or 15ld2 or any of the 400 sized levelwinds could work well. What is going to really matter is how deep of cod you are looking at fishing. Shallow no problem, deeper drops with heavy weights will be hard to crank up with the levelwinds with thier higher gear ratios. But at those weights it will overpower your rod anyways.
     
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    Mike, PM sent.
     
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    Awesome, thanks!
     
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