Weak wrist position . . . and other common mistakes?

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Went out to bob sands tackle a few months ago to look at a few rods. Met Jamie there. He likes to look at your fishing posture before recommending suitable rods. Anyhow he took over an hour with me correcting my posture and style, and I learned a lot. Best investment of my time I could spend. He was really great at teaching and helping me. Posture is such a huge thing not only in fishing, but in life and I really appreciated his time and input, Super nice guy. He is usually there on Saturday mornings, unless on a fishing trip. If possible go see him or go on one of his charters, guarantee you will learn a lot!
Yup. Same for me. Good dude who's crazy-generous with his time. You should have seen him at Fred Hall.
 
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Brad, be polite... You can not fix stupid. I see stuff all the time but walk away. On occasion i might add a comment like you are still in high or when on the kite i might see he is not in high before the bite and remind.
I’ve told people that now might be good time to push that little button on the side of the reel that you paid extra for. Usually they say good point and go into low.

I usually try to keep the rod at 90 degrees to the fish so the rod is almost vertical when the fish is way out there and horizontal when it’s circling. I figure that puts the maximum pressure on the fish.
 
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    I’ve told people that now might be good time to push that little button on the side of the reel that you paid extra for. Usually they say good point and go into low.

    I usually try to keep the rod at 90 degrees to the fish so the rod is almost vertical when the fish is way out there and horizontal when it’s circling. I figure that puts the maximum pressure on the fish.

    It is amazing how fast a big fish comes in when that button gets activated. As far as the 90 degrees i have seen that technique and if that works for you that is great. But i have seen the “waiting for the swell” for the rod to unload so they can get a crank. Choose your style... Just different than my style and my thinking.
     
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    I thought the whole point of a rod that bends is to let it bend to apply constant pressure on that fish. Line should be tight. Pointing directly at the fish and letting the rod go limp (not bending, straight) is essentially taking your nice rod right out of the equation. You are basically fighting the fish with the reel only at that point. I think the angle changes on what type of rod you have, it’s length, what the fish is doing, and how heavy you are fishing. Rods shut off at certain points and that’s like your redline on an engine. You are maxed out not making any more power. You want to keep your rod in it’s powerband, in the right range of bending that it was designed for. That way you can apply maximum pressure on the fish with your reel, and the rod it’s attached too.
     
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    I thought the whole point of a rod that bends is to let it bend to apply constant pressure on that fish. Line should be tight. Pointing directly at the fish and letting the rod go limp (not bending, straight) is essentially taking your nice rod right out of the equation. You are basically fighting the fish with the reel only at that point. I think the angle changes on what type of rod you have, it’s length, what the fish is doing, and how heavy you are fishing. Rods shut off at certain points and that’s like your redline on an engine. You are maxed out not making any more power. You want to keep your rod in it’s powerband, in the right range of bending that it was designed for. That way you can apply maximum pressure on the fish with your reel, and the rod it’s attached too.
    Who said point rod directly at Fish? Some angle for sure.
    Hey whatever works.
    To quote Bill W - kills Fish quicker!
     
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    I guess a spinning rod for cows gotta be tons-o-fun...

    Gotta be PAINFULL at best in my view!... that's a young mans game that needs to be performed on a moving boat with lower side board than an LR platform to even stand a chance if you are talking cow YFT (BFT different story).

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    I have a Black Hole Cape Cod Special 80g and a Makaira 20000 so I have the hardware for a cow, the software (me!) is another thing entirely! I’ve caught 30# YFT on lighter spinners and got them to the boat quicker than with a conventional but a cow would another thing entirely.
     
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    Biggest mistake I see newer anglers make is letting the line go slack.

    Biggest mistake I make is pulling too hard and trying to kill a fish that is still green. No matter what you are fishing for if a fish is still very fresh it will go nuts if you put the wood to it too quickly. When that happens, bad things follow.

    As Fishbuzzy, Screamingreel and Wahoodad have all advised at times, keep steady pressure on the fish, do whatever it takes to keep that pressure on but be smooth and relax. Breath and think, two very challenging things to do when the adrenaline is pumping.
     
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    Has anyone ever hand lined fish?If you have you know a rod is a detriment to land one.The more rod you use the more leverage you give the fish.Food for thought.Tom

    It is never about anything more than getting line on your reel. That only works if you can get the head up on the fish. That only works if you have the most efficient and shortest stroke pull on the proper rod, which is really important. So the rod is really important but how you use the rod too. Every fight starts with how can i get that line on the reel the fastest way. And it is not sticking the rod out 90 degrees and waiting for the rod to relax so i can get a crank on it. Small hook you really gotta watch the jerky movement but do not compromise pressure. Big hook, you can corkscrew that fish in. So many fish are lost to sharks and chew offs or pulled hooks are because of time on the fish. A few fish are lost because the fish comes up too fast or green but in my mind i can appreciate that kind of loss.
     
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    On the anchor at Alijos Rocks, back when the nicer grade Yellowfin were available, I distinctly remember Bruce Smith in a tackle seminar. There were some 65-75 pounders showing and he cautioned us all about using higher speed, single speed reels like the Trinidads and dropping in with anything less than 50 lb. He suggested that this would be a good time and place for those smaller two speeds lever drag reels and a nice short topshot of 50 lb fluorocarbon. Pretty darned good advice.

    First day, one of the guys hooked a nice fish, on a Trinidad 20 and 40 lb. Well, it was a tough fight, and from the look on his face, I was fairly sure he was passing a Kidney Stone. He eventually prevailed after a long fight.

    Let’s just fast forward a couple of days as we again find an angler hooked up. Looks like a nice one and it was quite the struggle as this short, slender (make that skinny) man, fought his quarry with...

    Care to guess? Of course, Trinidad and 40 lb!

    A lot to that: “Listen to the crew” ;)
     
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    The Trinidad is a lot better cranking reel for a 6.2 to 1 ratio than any in it’s class. But any 2 speed can beat it when using bait.
     
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    Big learning experience. First LR larger a 170lb on a 700H, TN30 and 50lb trilene big game long casting top shot. Full size barbie doll raider targeting hoo. Got my ass handed to me big time. Could land the same fish on the same gear in half the time now

    Luckily had ken install the cal drag plate and grease for the sole purpose of accidentaly hooking a big tuna fishing hoo. Disengaged clicker for better free spool for casting

    Would had been chewed off on the smaller size raider

    Good thread. I need to keep my body more square on the rail
     
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    old video from mid '80's on the Q105...Newell charter. Grabowski hooked up to one of those 60/80# YFT that used to hang out at Alijos Bank. Touting how with that high speed on the P447, it was easy to get your "crank"...yep, long as you could lift the rod ;) Short pump was the name of the game...
     
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    old video from mid '80's on the Q105...Newell charter. Grabowski hooked up to one of those 60/80# YFT that used to hang out at Alijos Bank. Touting how with that high speed on the P447, it was easy to get your "crank"...yep, long as you could lift the rod ;) Short pump was the name of the game...
    Had occasion over the years to see crew on a couple different LR boats wreck shop on 100-150lb yellowfin using 10’ jig rods and Newell 533’s. Seems like the less you care about landing the fish or not the better your chances of actually doing it.
     
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    Denied. When I found out about the skip jig 100lb 10' rod club. Wanted in with a 533. Came up short 76lbs. Owner sst treble fish pinned side of face. Jesus had one on also pulling like he didn't care if the fish was lost. Tried the same 10 minute fish. It works for some application

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    Had occasion over the years to see crew on a couple different LR boats wreck shop on 100-150lb yellowfin using 10’ jig rods and Newell 533’s. Seems like the less you care about landing the fish or not the better your chances of actually doing it.

    Yep... see it all the time. Paranoia accompanied by the statement, you never know when that fish of a lifetime will strike. Gee.. do you really want to be that scared of a fish?
     
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    Yep... see it all the time. Paranoia accompanied by the statement, you never know when that fish of a lifetime will strike. Gee.. do you really want to be that scared of a fish?
    We’re all human, we all have an ego, we’ve all spent mucho time thinking about that big fish. Leads us to sometimes be a little more skittish about putting our ass into it and trying to drag that bitch out of the depths whether he likes it or not.
     
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    But...
    We’re all human, we all have an ego, we’ve all spent mucho time thinking about that big fish. Leads us to sometimes be a little more skittish about putting our ass into it and trying to drag that bitch out of the depths whether he likes it or not.

    That paralysis is not your friend when it comes to fishing. It makes you over conserve and in the end time will kill you. When I fished overnight I was worried about the first fish in the sack. After that fish I became more confident. And arrogance is not your friend but confidence is.
     
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    Had occasion over the years to see crew on a couple different LR boats wreck shop on 100-150lb yellowfin using 10’ jig rods and Newell 533’s. Seems like the less you care about landing the fish or not the better your chances of actually doing it.
    Rocco shattered an aluminum spool on a 533 when the guy that hooked one on a popper had enough on our Guadalupe trip last year
     
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    On the anchor at Alijos Rocks, back when the nicer grade Yellowfin were available, I distinctly remember Bruce Smith in a tackle seminar. There were some 65-75 pounders showing and he cautioned us all about using higher speed, single speed reels like the Trinidads and dropping in with anything less than 50 lb. He suggested that this would be a good time and place for those smaller two speeds lever drag reels and a nice short topshot of 50 lb fluorocarbon. Pretty darned good advice.

    First day, one of the guys hooked a nice fish, on a Trinidad 20 and 40 lb. Well, it was a tough fight, and from the look on his face, I was fairly sure he was passing a Kidney Stone. He eventually prevailed after a long fight.

    Let’s just fast forward a couple of days as we again find an angler hooked up. Looks like a nice one and it was quite the struggle as this short, slender (make that skinny) man, fought his quarry with...

    Care to guess? Of course, Trinidad and 40 lb!

    A lot to that: “Listen to the crew” ;)


    But the bottom line is they got hooked up.....we pay thousands of dollars to fight fish why rush and get it over so fast...sure the crew wants to land the fish ASAP but some people like the challenge of light line light tackle fishing....and if it doesn't screw up others why not?

    I have said this before....in fishing we choose how much we want to handicap ourselves...we can use a single speed reel, no spectra, light line, light rod and attempt to land a big fish or increase our odds and add spectra to the mix next add a two speed reel next add heavier line....depends on what your goals are.....some of us are crazy enough and are trying to land a yft cow with a spinning outfit on a long range boat just for the challenge....and when a large fish is caught with tackle deemed way too light for the task by the crew bravo to the angler....JMO

    Sometimes the crew don't understand your goals.
     
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    But the bottom line is they got hooked up.....we pay thousands of dollars to fight fish why rush and get it over so fast...sure the crew wants to land the fish ASAP but some people like the challenge of light line light tackle fishing....and if it doesn't screw up others why not?

    I have said this before....in fishing we choose how much we want to handicap ourselves...we can use a single speed reel, no spectra, light line, light rod and attempt to land a big fish or increase our odds and add spectra to the mix next add a two speed reel next add heavier line....depends on what your goals are.....some of us are crazy enough and are trying to land a yft cow with a spinning outfit on a long range boat just for the challenge....and when a large fish is caught with tackle deemed way too light for the task by the crew bravo to the angler....JMO

    Sometimes the crew don't understand your goals.
    Yeah, but, In all fairness there are lots of guys who can’t break 90 trying to play like a plus 3....
     
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    Yeah, but, In all fairness there are lots of guys who can’t break 90 trying to play like a plus 3....
    I used to fish a 6480 with a 4/0 tiburon Framed 113 senator for throwing wahoo bombs etc.. I had West Coast tackle put a gimbal on it when they built it. I landed several Teenager YFT (120-150 lb.) on 50lb on that rig at clarion, ended up using my harness and plate. Remember those? Friken Tuna would eat the bomb. Having Wire certainly helped the chew thru.
    It can get the job done by I'm way to old for that shit now.
     
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