WDFW to buy Olsen's in Seiku

Discussion in 'Washington Fishing Reports' started by Hannibal, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. FishPimpII

    FishPimpII Dreaming about the next boat...

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    That’s a pleasant fantasy. Almost like dreaming about Fishing blackmouth out there in November and February again.
    Once there are less people out there they will probably say something about us underutilizing the resource and shut it down completely to save those fish for the orcas.
     
  2. Odin7

    Odin7 Odin7

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    Anyone know how many saltwater fishing licenses were sold last year compared to ten or twenty years ago?
     
  3. tacklejacked

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    I already own property in Clallam Bay and probably always will. There is a lot more to do up there than drink beer and fish. You have to get off the road once in a while. We have found it to be a sportsman's paradise if you look around a little.

    You guys want to give money to the tribes, that your choice. I choose not to. To each there own.

    If you think Big Salmon wont be affected by salmon season closures your kidding yourself. I would bet 50-60% of their seasonal cash flow is from salmon fishing. I understand they have fought for rec seasons in the past, but lets be honest. Its all about the money. Yes, they are a long ways from civilization, but their tribe took roots there for a reason, some of the best fishing and hunting in the state. Its a location that 100 years ago was good for the tribe, now with cash flow being the top priority of most tribes, its not so great.

    What happens when the Elwha fish return in numbers. You want to bet that becomes a protected run?

    As for what I would do with Masons property. Waterfront, beach access, boat launch, mostly protected marina.??Hmm. I leave this as a riddle. Over 3000 miles of tidal shoreline in Wa state and there are less than 6 of these.

    See you guys somewhere on the coast.
     
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  4. FishPimpII

    FishPimpII Dreaming about the next boat...

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    Good points.
    But Don’t go hinting about the mushroom picking out there. Shhhhh..
     
  5. BugeaterInWa

    BugeaterInWa Fear the Corn

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    A no bs boat launch was approved 3 different times for Point No Point. The residents of that area shut it down all 3 times cause they didn't want to share access to the water and didn't want all of us driving around on their roads.

    That is what there is now a "car top" boat launch there. Meaning bring your kyaks, inflatables, etc., just don't bring a boat on a trailer.
     
  6. fishbadger

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    +1
    I'll never patronize the casinos and the tax sheltered tribal gas stations on the highways, but I have no problem patronizing the Makah's. I might be wrong, but I'm thinking they don't employ too many lobbyists to screw our sport fishing up. Rec's fishing the ocean is in their business interest, so don't confuse them with the big money tribes who are F'ing us in Olympia. . .they're like. . .a totally different country dude. My sense is the Makah's are just trying to make a go of it like the rest of us, and they run a couple nice outfits up there.

    So I'll see you there in May. The usual two suspects may feel free to flame away now.

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  7. BugeaterInWa

    BugeaterInWa Fear the Corn

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    Maybe the one tribe needs to feel a little more pressure so they may apply a little more pressure to help get other tribes on board and sharing the 50/50...

    These meetings (held in secret and unannounced), etc., that get us Sportsmen/women less and less access, less and less seasons are attended by reps for all fishing treaty tribes. Meetings end, we get the extreme short end of the stick.

    The whole thing is really sad. Families, neighbors, many life time friends and neighbors, class mates, sport teams teammates, etc., all being divided for no ones benefit other than those that drive the crisis's to benefit from donors to in turn line their own fat pockets...

    That's my story.
     
  8. Siv

    Siv I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    A quick on line search shows license sales peaking at about 900K in the 1970s ( peak of the Westport charter fleet ) and slowly dropping off to about 700K now. I can't find the distinction between salt and fresh licenses sold.
     
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  9. Odin7

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    What I figured. Any argument that our exploding human population in Washington state is proportionally exploding the sport fishing pressure on salmon and halibut doesn't hold water.
     
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  10. hawksfan75

    hawksfan75 More questions than answers

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    That's a fallacy, however. In order for that statement to be conclusive, we'd also need to look at market demands, commercial landings, commercial sales, export of harvest data etc... Which, because certain commercial fisheries go under/unreported is impossible to ascertain.

    As a "part of the problem" (younger, moved to this state as an adult, learned a lot online, liberal etc...), I see only a limited number of solutions to things like this becoming unavoidable.
    • Eliminate commercial netting (non-selective techniques) Reef netting or longlining etc... OK
    • Aggregate all commercial fishing as its own group and enforce mandatory catch reporting
    • Increase hatchery output and more efficient systems
    • Mitigate habitat destruction
    Unfortunately, most other options (Boldt repeal, lobbying for more lax sportsfishing regulations etc...) don't actually solve the problems.

    As for the access arguments, the closing of these day-use lodges is unfortunate and would have been a lot of fun. I feel that increased insurance costs, property taxes, use regulations, repair restrictions by the Army Corps of Engineers and other regulations likely had as much of an effect or more.

    I hope we can solve the environmental concerns and help improve the natural resource that is literally out of our back doors (my grandparents home sits atop a bluff in Penn Cove).
     
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  11. BugeaterInWa

    BugeaterInWa Fear the Corn

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    That's all fine and dandy Eric, but...

    The argument of there are more sportfishers now than in the past was the subject, not all the other user groups and methods of catch.

    Simple fact is, less sport fishing licenses have been sold and we annually get cut, and cut, and cut out of more and more.

    Less opportunity
    Less access
    More stricter rules for gear to be used or to have onboard
    Penalties for not turning in catch reports

    As you said, its available out the back door but you can only look and pet while those in Iowa can goto the local store and get "fresh" Halibut or whatever...

    Most importantly, the sportfishers are the least of concern when it comes to harvest. Been proven over and over and you don't even need a degree in Math to see that. We take the least amount by far compared to all other user groups.

    Fact of the matter is, soon enough you will not be able to take your family out to partake in a tradition that all humans have been doing since we started walking on this globe. You are not a special enough of a human to partake!
     
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    As with salmon, commercials are catching more and more. . .and more and more, by design,only with halibuts, based on how the harvest is allocated. Resource getting turned into money, for somebody not named you. Blame it on the tribes, or the DFW or each other or Hillary or whomever you want. . .but the fact is. . .we's getting low-holed!

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  13. Gooch Larue

    Gooch Larue Well-Known "Member"

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    Regarding Snow Creek I have been staying there since the mid 90's. I have had plenty of conversations with the former management.

    What happened is the State changed the lease terms from 10 years to 5 years then year to year. Why would anyone invest in infrastructure that could be take away the flowing year. Then the "State" condemned the steel gang way to the dock. That was the straw that caused them to pull out. It was in need of repair but could have been prevented with long term planning by them and the land owner WDFW.
     
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  14. Randy G

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    look what the wdfw did to snow creek!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    yup! the other option is condos and zero public access, we should be glad the state is looking at buying. no access = no fish. Washington should learn from California and protect public access
     
  16. tacklejacked

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    How's the state going to maintain it in a shrinking budget. Show me a wdfw owned access site that has been improved for use of trailered boats.
     
  17. Chtucker

    Chtucker Lowe boat denter

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    Kenmore boat ramp on Lake Washington..

    But it is a joke, no one uses ir for fishing access, it is a ski boat access
     
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    Show me how turning a boat ramp into condos helps fishing access...
     
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    tacklejacked Capt./ Ho if I get to drive

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    Your stuck on the condo thing...that's not the only other option. But it's fun to fall back on when you can't think of the bigger picture.
     
  20. nerka4life

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    HAHAH OK, sure how about we let free market decide how many boat ramps we need ;P Hint Olsen's can't make a profit you think a new owner will change that? nope... you ever looked around? second homes are on rise and the population is growing. either those dirty liberals buy it or it will be gone forever...
     

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