WDFW Manager Arrested For Poaching

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So, nobody here has ever kept unclipped fish in a legal area and then accidentally crossed over into and fished in a marine area where only clipped fish are allowed? Maybe even fished a closed marine area? People are allowed to make mistakes. How they act when they do is generally a much better gauge of character than making the mistake.
 
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    Last Friday I went home from work with a state pen in my shirt pocket. On the way home I broke the speed limit by 15mph on the 5. Later that night me and my buds played ten dollar poker and smoked cigars till 2am.

    Crap after reading all this I need to go down to city hall and turn myself in for theft, reckless driving, and gambling. There is probably stuff I'm leaving out.
     
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    I think the main question is......should we hold people that help make the regs, and should know the regs, inside and out, culpable even if they self report, and to a higher standard????

    To me hunting regs are fairly straight forward if you study the GMU you're hunting.....now fishing regs, you need a frikin lawyer to help you figure shit out.

    IMO, he read the regs (or someone told him) after he poached. Poaching is poaching, Yeah, shit happens, but a four point buck is a bit different than keeping a 21.5" salmon.

    Some people count on venison in their freezer for the winter......
     
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    I think the main question is......should we hold people that help make the regs, and should know the regs, inside and out, culpable even if they self report, and to a higher standard????

    To me hunting regs are fairly straight forward if you study the GMU you're hunting.....now fishing regs, you need a frikin lawyer to help you figure shit out.

    IMO, he read the regs (or someone told him) after he poached. Poaching is poaching, Yeah, shit happens, but a four point buck is a bit different than keeping a 21.5" salmon.

    Some people count on venison in their freezer for the winter......

    It’s weird that you say poaching is poaching but then you have all kind of carve outs for fisherman who poach fish that are either to short/wrong species. I can’t even count the number of people that fish checkers encountered bringing in blackmouth during the lights out coho fishery last year in Sekiu. All these people received was coaching and none of them self reported. I pretty much throw back any fish in question, but if I make a mistake and self repot, I hope I’m not treated the way this guy is. No where I read does it actually say he is involved with making the laws/rules. Just that he is a manager. As for filling the freezer comment, he did the exact opposite, turned himself in, and the meat was donated. It’s just odd to me that people are attacking someone that self reported but we let tribal poacher’s walk. I didn’t see you chime in on the tribal threads so it seems your being selective.
     
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    I think the main question is......should we hold people that help make the regs, and should know the regs, inside and out, culpable even if they self report, and to a higher standard????

    To me hunting regs are fairly straight forward if you study the GMU you're hunting.....now fishing regs, you need a frikin lawyer to help you figure shit out.

    IMO, he read the regs (or someone told him) after he poached. Poaching is poaching, Yeah, shit happens, but a four point buck is a bit different than keeping a 21.5" salmon.

    Some people count on venison in their freezer for the winter......
    If poaching is poaching, How is taking a 4 pt buck different than taking a 21.5" Salmon?
     
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    EJ Swanny

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    If poaching is poaching, How is taking a 4 pt buck different than taking a 21.5" Salmon?
    One could be a simple mistake of measurement on a 4lb fish, the other is taking down a resource that every hunter on the east side would be proud to harvest and a memory for life. Could have been anyone's son's or daughters first buck. As far as he's just a "manager", what the frick does he manage....sunflower fields???? The FW stands for fish & wildlife.

    My question was...should he be held to a higher standard??? I believe he should be, others don't. Both sides have valid arguments. I'm happy he self-reported. I'm sure most of us would on an ooooops, like that. My 2 cents.......
     
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    It appears they guy has lived in New Mexico for the last 13 years and just started back with WDFW on July 30, 2021. Your the one that makes it sound like he sits behind a desk all day and writes and studies all the hunting/fishing laws. My guess is that being the director/manager that he is managing the area/people and not drafting/studying laws. That was my point. Context is always important.

     
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    It appears they guy has lived in New Mexico for the last 13 years and just started back with WDFW on July 30, 2021.
    Not to Make anyone’s argument, but I think you read it wrong;

    “Hoenes is a long-time employee who started his career with WDFW in 2008. Most recently, he has worked as the ungulate section manager. Before that, he spent time as an assistant district wildlife biologist, a district wildlife biologist, the statewide WDFW elk specialist, and as the department’s deer and elk section manager.”
     
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    Not to Make anyone’s argument, but I think you read it wrong;

    “Hoenes is a long-time employee who started his career with WDFW in 2008. Most recently, he has worked as the ungulate section manager. Before that, he spent time as an assistant district wildlife biologist, a district wildlife biologist, the statewide WDFW elk specialist, and as the department’s deer and elk section manager.”
    I stand corrected, that totally my bad.
     
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    What he said……
    Alyssum said:

    I live in this area.

    I would be surprised if a day went bye that something wasn’t “ poached”.

    My guess... he got busted and was given the chance to turn himself in...

    Koopa253:

    Well you guys are both wrong.


    “Yes, I self-reported the incident immediately after I realized I made the mistake…The documents state that as Hoenes began field dressing the deer at between 8:15 and 8:30, he “realized that he had not seen or heard anyone else” that day and that by 10 a.m. he was “pretty sure” the unit wasn’t open for the late rifle whitetail hunt…Without cell service at his location Hoenes couldn’t initially confirm his dawning suspicion, but when he was able to get a signal he confirmed the unit was indeed closed to rifle hunters, documents state.

    They state that he first told his wife what had happened, then called WDFW Captain Mike Jewell and detailed the story, and also called Director Susewind and told him.

    Hoenes was met at Republic High School by WDFW Officers Konkle and King and read his Miranda rights. Asked if he would continue speaking with them, he said he would.”

    These are not steps taken by poachers, but are steps taken by people with integrity and whom are willing to own there mistakes.
     
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    Alyssum said:

    I live in this area.

    I would be surprised if a day went bye that something wasn’t “ poached”.

    My guess... he got busted and was given the chance to turn himself in...

    Koopa253:

    Well you guys are both wrong.


    “Yes, I self-reported the incident immediately after I realized I made the mistake…The documents state that as Hoenes began field dressing the deer at between 8:15 and 8:30, he “realized that he had not seen or heard anyone else” that day and that by 10 a.m. he was “pretty sure” the unit wasn’t open for the late rifle whitetail hunt…Without cell service at his location Hoenes couldn’t initially confirm his dawning suspicion, but when he was able to get a signal he confirmed the unit was indeed closed to rifle hunters, documents state.

    They state that he first told his wife what had happened, then called WDFW Captain Mike Jewell and detailed the story, and also called Director Susewind and told him.

    Hoenes was met at Republic High School by WDFW Officers Konkle and King and read his Miranda rights. Asked if he would continue speaking with them, he said he would.”

    These are not steps taken by poachers, but are steps taken by people with integrity and whom are willing to own there mistakes.
    Oh it must be true than because a government official would never lie, especially to save his own skin………
     
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    Oh it must be true than because a government official would never lie, especially to save his own skin………
    You can’t fix stupid so not sure why I bother, but I would take what WDFW, prosecuting attorney, NW Sportsman say over you and your false claims, any day of the week. The guy made a mistake and self reported immediately. End of Story
     

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    You can’t fix stupid so not sure why I bother, but I would take what WDFW, prosecuting attorney, NW Sportsman say over you and your false claims, any day of the week. The guy made a mistake and self reported immediately. End of Story
    Did the guy make an honest mistake and actually self report? Perhaps. I definitely like to think he did but don't really know for sure. Based on the circumstances, I find this a very plausible and likely story.

    Did the guy get caught by an officer and was given the option to self report because he's "one of them"? Perhaps. Personally, I think the chances of WDFW enforcement being right there at that time are slim and if there was anyone else involved, ie: witnesses, it would require their cooperation in the cover up. I find this pretty unlikely due to the potential public outcry if this were found to be true... but not completely out of the question... cops are trained to be persuasive.

    The reality is, all I have to go on is what the media is reporting and I try very hard to keep my personal feelings about WDFW and their wholesale shit show and incompetence as a whole from interfering with this individuals case.

    One thing I do believe however, is that there are a few on here that may be projecting...

    "projection", the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds.
     
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    I trust the media as much as anyone else. But I think there’s a zero to slim chance, that WDFW busted this guy in the field and then let him go home inorder to call the director, self report, and then later that day meet at a school to finalize the arrest. That’s pretty conspiracy theorist to me, but to each there own.
     
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    For what it’s worth, I’ve met him. He’s a good dude and is a sportsman. I believe that he just f’d up and had the integrity to take his lumps for it. He held himself to a higher standard. Everyone is free to form their opinions.
     
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    These are not steps taken by poachers, but are steps taken by people with integrity and whom are willing to own there mistakes.

    Too bad he didn’t use some of that integrity in planning his hunt.

    Next time I’m in republic I’ll try air dropping Avenza outside the courthouse.
     
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    Speeding is speeding, 36 in a 35 or 75 in a 35--ok, we all agree there are shades of grey. Poaching a 21.5" salmon is the same poaching as a forky in a 3 point unit. That's a rule broken. Shouldn't punishment fit intent rather than the letter?

    You guys sure put a lot of stock in him being a government official, and not a human who took a job and made a mistake. If he wasn't working for WDFW, it would be a non-story. Like someone said, it's a piece put out by anti-hunters to say "see, even wdfw can't help by over harvest."

    Had a buddy self report this year. He had to turn in his deer tag and deer (went to a food bank). We will give him shit for years, he feels bad, none of us were pleased.


    Something something about casting stones...
     
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    I think the main question is......should we hold people that help make the regs, and should know the regs, inside and out, culpable even if they self report, and to a higher standard????

    To me hunting regs are fairly straight forward if you study the GMU you're hunting.....now fishing regs, you need a frikin lawyer to help you figure shit out.

    IMO, he read the regs (or someone told him) after he poached. Poaching is poaching, Yeah, shit happens, but a four point buck is a bit different than keeping a 21.5" salmon.

    Some people count on venison in their freezer for the winter......
    Typical lame ass response from you… Indignant BS hipocracy!

    Many people who work for that department have nothing to do with writing, or enforcing the rules. It simply says he’s a manager.

    Further complicated that typically each section writes rules for their own programs, so maybe if he has anything to do with rules he works on rules for like fishing?!? Expecting every employee to know the rules for all fishing and hunting statewide inside and out and never make a mistake simply shows a preponderance of stupidity and a lack of common sense, but I’ve come to expect that from your contributions on this site….
     
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    Another point of view...

    some anti hunting groups are calling him a poacher but from the few facts we know, he turned himself in. This sounds to me like he made a mistake in identifying the animal, realized the mistake too late and turned himself in. I'm not saying this excuses the offense and he should face the proper penalties if/when convicted but calling him a poacher is a stretch.
    These kinds of reasons don't fly when it's one of us. For the recreationals 3 tickets for barbs or failure to immediately record a catch on the crc results in suspension of license.
     
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