Wahoo fishermen

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by fyermn, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. fyermn

    fyermn Member

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    For all those fishermen out there, I am looking for expert advice, and here on Bloodydecks, I know their is a lot to be had, on the best way to troll for Wahoo on a long range 10 day trip. Does the position at the rear of the boat have any greater hook-up ratio compared the other positions? I know everyone has their favorite position, and a lot of anglers like the corners. Is it still advisable to use Marauders or those new DTX lures? In fishing the slide, should bait be used, Wahoo bombs, or Raider lures? When using bait, or Wahoo Bombs, what and how long of wire leader should be used?
    I have been Long Range fishing for a lot of years, but have only caught ONE Wahoo in all that time. I am going out again in late Sept. thru early Oct. (10 Day) and I would really like to catch more that just ONE Wahoo! I realize that their is new kinds of wire leaders to be used (Titanium), and some anglers use heavy Fluorocarbon leader for lures.
    I am just looking for a LOT of ADVICE.
     
  2. FISHNFRANK

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    I’ve caught probably 50 or so wahoo over maybe 6-7 trips over the years. I’m not an expert but I’ve done some. I like raider 125s in gold and Sea Strke 33s. YOY they seem to get bit the best for me. They’re easy to crank and don’t have too much resistance in the water. A few summers ago I used 80 lb fluorocarbon instead of wire and darned if that stuff doesn’t take a few hits from a wahoos teeth, at least enough to get your jig back if you miss the fish. Trolling I use a medium maurader, the color doesn’t matter as much as the vibration. Some swim better than others and when you find the right one, it’s going to get hit repeatedly until it’s destroyed. I’d just use boat trolling gear now. ***Don’t lift and pump when you get hooked up - just wind steadily.
    ***Use 50lb mono to cast, it stretches less than 40. But 40 is ok. *** The new torque 30N or 40N are perfect reels. The Squalls are cheaper versions of the same thing and are just fine. Old Newell 533s with a 5.5 used to be king.6.5’ or 7’ stiff rods are fine, you don’t need 8...let it sink

    That’s what I remember....
     
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  3. bbuck

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    Position on the stern can matter depending on what your trolling. Heavy lures like the cow bell or hookers are best fished on one of the corner spots as those are fished closest to the boat, in the prop wash. Regular Marauders and DTX can be fished anywhere.
    On my last trip in Feb. I used a new DTX, it didn't swim well but got bit the three times I used it.
    Wahoo bomb's and Raider type jigs work on the slide and after the boat comes to a stop. Bait should be fished after the boat stops. Not that they won't get bit, it's just that you'll just get tangled up with the trollers and bomb fishermen. I use the standard multi strand wire Marauder harness that are sold in most tackle shops. Too enhance your chances of success get the lighter wire ( 120# - 175# ) It's rare to get bit off on these. The 300 - 400 pound size are overkill IMHO. If your still unsure, use the boat trolling rods.
     
  4. hucklongfin

    hucklongfin Deep release specialist

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    32 Oz Cowbells are usually long down the middle. Corners are usually better than the inside but sometimes they all go off at once! No fishing the slide on the Excel!
     
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  5. pmurphy

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    The key to fishing wahoo with lures is retrieve speed. Last year, they didn't seem to care about color, just speed. I had my best trip ever for wahoo by using an Avet HX that retrieves 47 inches of line per crank. I cranked it as fast as I could until my arms were bursting, I was drenched in sweat and out of breath. It was brutally hard work, but I caught nine big wahoo, bringing my lifetime total to ten.

    Captain Sam of the Intrepid says "The best color is speed."
     
  6. Yellowtail Dan

    Yellowtail Dan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I use boat rods for trolling and don't pay much attention to the spread. For me it's just doing my time.

    I fish jigs and do very well. I use Salas 6x in black/pink, tar baby. Orange/black with about a 3ft long leader of 130lb fluorocarbon tied to a black swivel to the mainline. I use the bigger 6x then the 6x jr because it give the fish more to grab a hold of and keeps you from getting bit off as much. Cast out at the bow and walk it down towards the stern and wind like hell when you start turning the handle. A Torque 25n star drag is a great reel for this loaded with 65lb solid spectra and about a 75-100yrd 50lb mono top shot

    For bait I buy the pre made leaders at Fishermans landing in the lightest wire they have them made. Usually 37lb I believe. I always butt hook my baits as well when fishing wahoo. Puts the hook closer to the middle of the bait where Wahoo hit most often
     
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  7. Wahoover

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    I'm partial to pink and silver Raider 200s and red and silver Sea Strike 33s, straight-tied or lately with a heavy floro leader as described previously. I like to let the jigs sink out more than most, but I think I can stay in the water a little longer on the fast grind. Also I think its really important to wait for the jig to sink out until you have a really comfortable angle to wind fast. Oh yeah and don't give up after the first two casts like a lot of guys. Eat your Wheaties on wahoo day! Good luck
     
  8. alan760

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    1. Trolling: Cowbell down the middle to start. If Marauders are getting bit better I will switch it out but the Cowbell is my go to troller and works well either down the middle or in the corner. I bring the basic orange/black, purp/black and dorado Marauders along with my cowbell. Also helps to note which trollers are getting bit during each rotation, sometimes a pattern will become apparent. That's why I prefer to bring my own trolling rod and jigs so I can switch trollers out when I see a pattern. I am also a fan of trolling something different than everyone else on my team. If everyone is trolling orange/black, I'll put some other color in the pattern like blue mackeral or dorado. I think on my Jan trip my cowbell stopped the boat 12-13 times and accounted for 10-11 wahoo. Got a few DTXs last year but I don't think I'll buy any more once I use up my two, at least not until they beef up internal wire.
    2. Slide: I start with a bomb, usually green pattern. Really like Capt Jimmys and KK Pono bombs but I think the standard chrome heads with green skirts work just as good. Also bring other colors like pink, purple, blue, and orange skirted bombs Second rod has a jig like a 6x jr in bright colors or something shiny, chrome or gold jig. On my last trip I did well with pink/black and others did good with orange/black and chrome jigs. Dorado color might be a good one to try as well. I've caught a few wahoo on dorado colored jigs yoyoing for yt. Lots of people like Raiders but I've never done well with them so not exactly one of my confidence jigs.
    3. Bait: My go to setup if the wahoo is scratchy fishing or if the area has been hammered by other boats. 40lb mono with 40 lb wire and a 2/0 - 4/0 bronze j hook. Cast off the bow.
    4. Ridge fishing: Pay attention when fishing on the anchor, sometimes guys get hoo'd and will just tie on another hook and go back to fishing. If I see signs of wahoo and no one else is targeting them, I will grab my wahoo bait rod and sneak up to the bow and make a few casts.
    5. Note how others are fishing their jigs. On my last trip the skinnies got very picky after a couple days of being fished hard and would only bite jigs straight tied to mono. I also noted one angler was fishing his jig like you do yoyo fishing for YT and was getting bit just as good as anyone else. Instead of casting he just dropped it over the side to get it down deep and cranked like crazy. Wahoo would hammer his jig. I tried it a couple times and got short bit, never got one to stick.
     
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  9. Brad I

    Brad I Common Sense Isn't Common Enough

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    Bunch of good advice from previous posters.

    Just to add a little bit, while it does seem that a pattern can emerge after a day of wahoo fishing, that pattern was yesterday's pattern and today's can be completely different. It can also vary from morning to afternoon. For example, a color can be hot in the morning and dead in the afternoon. Or I've been on trips where a Catchy Tackle 26 oz spinner jet was the ticket on one day and as attractive as pimply obese grandmother in line at a VD clinic the next.

    A constant question is "how long to let it sink"? I'm coming around to an answer of "not longer than I can reel it back at full speed".

    When my arm can't grind it back at full speed anymore, I'll try bait to give it a rest.

    While its pretty much impossible to wind too fast, it might also be pretty much impossible to use too much drag. Wahoo often dog-bone a lure, and you want to slide it through their mouths so that they get hooked, and heavy drag helps with that.

    And of course, stop winding before you lift the lure out of the water. Its not just legend that wahoo can follow lures and leap out of the water at boatside chasing one.

    Good luck. Part of the allure of wahoo is that they are so hard to catch.
     
  10. swami 805

    swami 805 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    If your goal is wahoo fishing above all else timing your trip is important. Try to go when there's not many boats fishing that length of trip so the areas have plenty of time to rest. If there's boats rotating in and out of areas constantly likely the wahoo fishing will be scratchy.
     
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  11. Yellowtail Dan

    Yellowtail Dan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    That might be one of the greatest lines ever posted on this website!!!
     
  12. ZZZZZ

    ZZZZZ natural born jig slingers

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    Gnarly trebbles on iron casting jigs. I like trebbles to decrease the challenge of hooking the fish. Most prefer single hooks.

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  13. broton

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    I always have 3 rigs ready when I am wahoo fishing. One with a bomb (I really like the braid flathead bombs - even though the crew makes fun of me even when they work!). One with an iron, typically a Salas pink, pink/black or a raider in gold. And lastly one setup for bait with a 27# wire leader.
     
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  14. alan760

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    To answer some of your other questions, I use 90lb wire on bombs and jigs early on in the trip and switch to 100-130lb fluoro as the skinnies get more wary. Leader length is something like 2-3 ft. Fluoro leader material is old topshots from previous trips. Haven't tried titanium wire.
     
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    ripped I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I feel like a broken record... K2K
     
  16. Bill W

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    If you are desperate, try 2/0 hook on short 30# wire. Cast a jig first and when the boat is stopped then try the bait. Overcast morning color for trolling, eggplant. Bright day, orange and black and some times they key in on green. (Dorado)
     
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    First day fishing for Wahoo I just reach into my Wahoo jig box with my eyes closed and go for it.
     
  18. FISHNFRANK

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    After I wrote my post above I went out to the garage and looked at my wahoo stuff from 2 years ago the last time I fished for them...the jig that I got bit the best on was a Catchy Sea Strike 33 in black chrome and purple...
     
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  19. pascuale

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    Great info here. I caught 11 last year on the Indi on bombs. Speed was the trick. And green was the color. Jimmy bombs rigged with 150lb flouro. Wire was just as productive. What really worked well for me was to wait for the trollers to go off and toss my bomb off the corner (just an underhand toss in the opposite corner the boat turns if any turn as to stay out of the troll spread). Let that bomb slide way back about 150ft. Put in gear and wind like hell. The boat is still sliding which added speed to the lure. First one in the water and by the time other guys were getting theirs in I was already winding. Avet HX almost locked drag 80lb braid. This is what worked for me.
     
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  20. reellady

    reellady I'd rather be catching TUNA

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    I have caught many wahoo. The best advice I can give is listen to what the crew tells you what to do. If other anglers are catching see what they are using. Bait with wire, bait with flouro, bombs or jigs, then what color? It changes on a daily basis, depending on sun, cloud cover, and current, and if on the drift or on the anchor. If one thing doesn't work, try another. Rail time and perservance are the main factor. Never give up is the answer.
     
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