Wahoo basic questions

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  1. Bill W

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    The difference is on a jig you want a tighter drag than normal but on bait it is finess... the hook needs to go in the corner mouth with bait. Different strategy, lighter line. Wahoo have one fast run, then wind in.
     
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    shon, if using 27/32# wire, about 1/3 drag is the most you want to go...fish will make at least one long fast run anyway, burn out it's jets, and settle down and pretty much come right in...8 or 9 pounds is plenty. I want that fish out there away from the boat as soon as possible, because other guys getting bit may get hung up in the stern before they can follow their fish, and cutoffs become a big problem. Fishing wahoo, they are going to happen, but I have found the sooner I let that fish get away from the boat the easier it is to avoid. I'm a single strand/haywire twist fan...minimal drag on the bait. Yes, one and done. But I always retie a bait leader anyway, as you usually find some abrasion on the last 5 feet of mono after you catch a fish...gill plates, collars and that big old tail. To the op...travel day come find me at the starboard table, I'll show you how to do the haywire twist, if that is the way you decide to go. See you on the boat :D
     
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    Which size do you recommend? 140, 165 or 200?
     
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    With regard to the light drag when fishing bait for wahoo, what I have been told (repeatedly) by the deck crews is that the tighter the line (or wire), the easier it is for the wahoo to bite through it. Using lighter drag, they say (and it may well be true!) makes it more likely that you will get your fish to the boat.

    On the other hand, a couple of captains have confessed to me during the dog watch with no one around that getting the fish away from the boat and out of trouble is at least as important. There are quite a few stories about boats losing anchors because a wahoo wrapped the anchor rope with spectra and cut it through. I have seen it happen once...and yes, it was someone who was fishing bait with heavier-than-necessary drag.

    I'm with Craig on this. If I am fishing bait for wahoo (usually about 25% of the time, because jigs and bombs are much more fun in their own way), I want the fish to take a long, hot run and get way away from the boat. After that run I'll go from about 8lbs of drag to about 10lbs. If the wahoo runs again, I'll wait until that run is finished, and go to 15-16lbs of drag. By that time, the fish is done, and comes to the boat like a lamb.
     
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    There's a new pattern coming out in 2 weeks called orange mackeral, it looks k
    There is a new color, orange mackeral. It looks kinda like a tony the tiger pattern. It will be out in 2 weeks. It looks deadly!
     
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    You might also consider investing in a Ballyhood Junior Cowbell. The only trolling lures I have ever seen get bit as well (by wahoo!) were original Hooker Intruders.

    Oh, and Ugly Betty.
     
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    Thats very popular color in the Gulf of Mexico for Wahoo
     
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    200 brother!

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    Nuclear Trout...
     
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    I have a nuclear trout, that was the first one I bought. Won't get a chance to use it for another month. Any reports about that pattern would be great!
     
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    My room mate kept on getting bit on the Nuclear trout, but always a short bite. Which kept the same team up. However He got short bit 5 times in a row and the other team mates were getting sick of his lure getting all the attention. I would sharpen the stock hooks...
     
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    Thank you! I'll pick up a couple.
     
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    Good call!!!!!
     
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    Do you run the Jr way back in the middle like the big 'un or does it work closer in on the corners too?
     
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    Two strategies worth considering: Utilizing titanium wire which is more difficult to bite through... The second is to use DOUBLE fluorocarbon leader, for jigs and bombs, as in double 60 or double 80... (highly recommended by those with far more experience than I) Inevitably one of the strands is slightly tighter and one is slightly looser thus making it much harder to bite through. Just some food ah, bait for thought.

    Tight lines and screaming reels, (just not too tight).
     
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    The Junior Cowbell has worked for me in all five positions. My observations:

    - The best spot is indeed in the center and back, but not all that far back. It doesn't need to trail as much as the DTX Minnow seems to. I would say that, in general, maybe 5-10' deeper than you usually drag a Marauder in the middle is ideal, but it gets bit closer to the boat too.

    - The Cowbell makes a racket in the water, and I think that is one reason why it gets bit so well. It also flashes, though. If it's going to be in the white water wake, brighter colors seem to get bit best. Darker works well in smooth water. But in general, the color called "Pink Lightning" gets bit anywhere, anywhen.

    - The Cowbell absolutely gets bit on the short corner, but that is probably less ideal than any of the three center positions. The corner is also a better spot to run Marauders and Intruders.

    - Most of all, unlike the other trolling lures we typically use for wahoo, the Junior Cowbell passes through the water with very little resistance. When another rod gets bit, retrieving the Cowbell requires very little effort. Winding in a Marauder, Intruder, or DTX Minnow can be a pain in the backside, and while all of these get bit on the slide, none of them (in my experience) compares to the Cowbell. Even if you drop the lure back quite a ways, a fast wind brings the lure back to boat in a hurry, except that quite often you get picked up.

    Look, I am not trying to sell the Junior Cowbell. I have no vested interest, and they are pretty spendy. If I was one of those guys who likes to outfish the other guys on the boat, I'd just keep my mouth shut and go about my business. I'm not that kind of guy (though I may well be "that guy"), and these things have really worked for me.

    I also have a lot of respect for the Intruder, and as soon as JRI comes out with the finished model, I am definitely going to buy one or two. At the end of the day, though, the Junior Cowbell has been the closest to a "sure thing" I have ever seen.
     
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    Great info Jim, thanks for sharing your experiences with the Cow Bell, very much appreciated.
     
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    Yup Bill true, but I think there is more to the story. Inexperience and allowing the line to slack up and needed sharper hook.

    And as to the double flurocarbon leader, I’ve tried that and have gotten bit off several times on the drop. Now I use a single 150 flurocarbon.
     
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    I may change them out to to owner jobu hooks. Have had great luck with wahoo on them.
    Just like jigs and bombs, keep turnin the turner, keep crankin the cranker, keep windin the winder , and when in doubt keep rotating that thing on the right side of the reel in a clockwise direction until theres this lit up creature on the deck getting hit with a bat! Then you can run over, grab you're jig rod and repeat!
     
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