To tie or crimp titanium leader wire

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Very clean easy to follow video
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Question...
Does it make a difference if you store titanium wire leader in the original "coil" or if you store in in "pre-cut lengths"?
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I made up some 3/4" PVC tubes with threaded caps that I drilled a hole in the top and knotted some 150# mono on the end and slid the tag end through and crimped it to the tube so I wouldn't lose it. 22" long tubes and I pre tie swivels or rings ( your choice) to cut lengths of Knot2Kinkey in the off season. The size of hook will change based on bait size and can be easily adjusted while on the water. Super fast and can get back in the game super quick.
 

Rodless_Jim

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Don't know if I've ever met RideHPD in person, but I guarantee you he gets his share of surface iron fish, thanks! That wire demonstration was bitchen.
One important thing to note: the wire in the video is steel, not nickle-titanium. I've never seen that method before; looks very sano! But it wouldn't work (as shown) with Knot-2-Kinky or any other titanium leader wire. It is an alternative to the haywire twist for traditional steel wire.

This is a long-running thread, with a lot of useful information. That video is a perfect example. Unfortunately, I have stopped using single strand steel wire. I typically only use wire fishing live bait for wahoo, and I use Knot-2-Kinky for that. If I ever get a chance to fish surface iron extensively, I would like to try wire in that application too, but in relative terms I am not at all a skilled iron thrower, and these days I can't predict when I'll next get that chance.
 
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One important thing to note: the wire in the video is steel, not nickle-titanium. I've never seen that method before; looks very sano! But it wouldn't work (as shown) with Knot-2-Kinky or any other titanium leader wire. It is an alternative to the haywire twist for traditional steel wire.

This is a long-running thread, with a lot of useful information. That video is a perfect example. Unfortunately, I have stopped using single strand steel wire. I typically only use wire fishing live bait for wahoo, and I use Knot-2-Kinky for that. If I ever get a chance to fish surface iron extensively, I would like to try wire in that application too, but in relative terms I am not at all a skilled iron thrower, and these days I can't predict when I'll next get that chance.
That is a clean wire method, much cleaner than I used to use in the 70's to primarily get the jig to swim better. Mono in the 50's and 60's used to be very stiff and have an effect on how the surface iron would swim. The best wire back in the day was made by a guy named George Beachum (sp). And if you have any of that in say 40lb. it will make a decent plug great.

Big time advantage back in the day, have to see it to believe it.
 

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I made up some 3/4" PVC tubes with threaded caps that I drilled a hole in the top and knotted some 150# mono on the end and slid the tag end through and crimped it to the tube so I wouldn't lose it. 22" long tubes and I pre tie swivels or rings ( your choice) to cut lengths of Knot2Kinkey in the off season. The size of hook will change based on bait size and can be easily adjusted while on the water. Super fast and can get back in the game super quick.
Gary,

So are you using knots? If so, what knots?
 

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I'm by no means an expert, this is purely interrogative; how does Ti wire fail from those knots? I wasn't aware of that and we used them trolling (granted smaller) wahoo and yellowfin, and more importantly, boiler rock fishing. Pulled very hard on them not knowing that they weren't supposed to be tied and never had issues, but never had to hold up to sustained runs.
 

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I'm by no means an expert, this is purely interrogative; how does Ti wire fail from those knots? I wasn't aware of that and we used them trolling (granted smaller) wahoo and yellowfin, and more importantly, boiler rock fishing. Pulled very hard on them not knowing that they weren't supposed to be tied and never had issues, but never had to hold up to sustained runs.
The titanium wire flexes and rebounds. There's no reason why those knots would fail...you just can't tie those knots in titanium wire.

CAVEAT: Not in any titanium wire I've ever seen or heard of.

The knots shown in the video are tied in wire that will hold its shape when you bend it. That is steel wire. And in point of fact you can see the packages of wire he is using at the beginning of the video:

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This isn't a criticism. I think it's a very cool video and it looks like an awesome knot. I just don't think you can apply it to nickle-titanium wires like Knot-2-Kinky:

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Titanium wire will bend however you want it to...it just won't stay bent.
 
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I brought the knot 2 kinky a few years back when it was very new at the advice of the charter Master. "You won't need sleeves, I'm going to show you a couple of really good knots that the developer taught me" he said. So the first day on the ride down "hey teach us those knots for the K2K wire". Oh I don't use them they don't tie or hold very well. I strictly crimp." I wanted to choke the shit out of him.
 

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The titanium wire flexes and rebounds. There's no reason why those knots would fail...you just can't tie those knots in titanium wire.

CAVEAT: Not in any titanium wire I've ever seen or heard of.

The knots shown in the video are tied in wire that will hold its shape when you bend it. That is steel wire. And in point of fact you can see the packages of wire he is using at the beginning of the video:

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This isn't a criticism. I think it's a very cool video and it looks like an awesome knot. I just don't think you can apply it to nickle-titanium wires like Knot-2-Kinky:

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Titanium wire will bend however you want it to...it just won't stay bent.
Huh, I may be misremembering then but I could've sworn we were using Ti. Huh, my bad then, didn't mean to mislead anyone on that. And no criticism taken, all here to learn something each day.
 
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This was another old thread where crimping Titanium wire was discussed.

 

Tom Honaker

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I know the packaging says you can tie the titanium leader wire.
Since Iam new at this is tieing fine or should I crimp ?
For 50lb wire what size single sleeve ?
Thanks,Guy
Me personally, I'd crimp it! I think it's much cleaner than tying it. I normally use single strand wire, and probably have enough in every pound test from 27# -95# , to last 5 trips! Plus every size hook combination possible! And have backup titanium wire crimped wire leaders, in every pound test imaginable combination of hook sizes too! And I very rarely fish bait for wahoo!!! I'm almost always a jig first guy, bombs second! Those fish drive me crazy!!! I should be charging them by the hour! For all years I've spent obsessing about catching them! AAAAARRRGGGHHH!
 

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I use Knot-2-Kinky titanium wire, which comes in 25lb, 35lb, 45lb, etc. I typically use 35lb or 45lb, and I have had great success using AFW 1L sleeves and size 12 Sea Striker Krok swivels. I too use the Nicopress 17-BA swager.



I have also found this to be true. My experience has been that if I go too high on the drag, the wire overstretches, and curls up after the fish hits the deck. The crimps don't fail. I've caught tuna up to 90lbs+ on mine.
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Sorry for not replying earlier, been crazy busy these days! Thanks for all of the input, much appreciated!
 

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Crimp!

Triple insert, in, out & finish back into the sleeve. (as in photos above)
Crimp 2X on each sleeve with a NicoPress.

Tight lines.
 
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