Discussion in 'Avet Reels Support' started by RickO, May 16, 2008.
And now......That we beat the shit out of this subject.... Whats Next
PS: Great Read.....
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Interesting info here!!
Interesting, We do this "Lapping" technique on computer CPUs and Heatsinks prior to seating them together for better thermal conductivity when Overclocking. Never thought about doing it to the metal drags washers but it makes sense! Gonna give it a go on some of my setups.
Cal's reel grease is the shiznit.
Very interesting post. Thank you AVET for all of your research to verify your recommendation to NOT grease your drag washers. That's what I call customer service.
AVET says you can run ( wash, submerged) your reels in a bucket of clean water for a few seconds. Just enough time to crack the handle a few times to get the small amount of salt water reminants that might be left over from a trip. I have had no issues with my SX, MXL, and JX. With the SX and JX I have been running these since 2006-2007 with no issues. No rust or signs of wear. If I get them exposed to a lot of water I will open them up because on occasion the main frame side that the clicker plate is located can hold a small amount of water that can't be shaken out. I use AVET lube and grease but according to AVET this is all that's ever really needed, just a quick tear down once a season and just wipe off and re-apply a thin layer of grease with a high temp, marine bearing grease (no brand name needed, grease is grease). Nothing special needed here. Just don't grease the 2 inner shaft bearings. LUBE ONLY, so you don't take away from freespool.
But like in another post, you can change the engineering of this reel by removing all the grease and strictly using oil only, but again, corrosion resistance was always on their mind when they created these awesome reels. AVET will tell you grease all exposed and covered bearings, except for the 2 inner shaft bearings to keep out the elements. I like to stay specific to what they use but once my flip cups of AVET grease are gone, I'll buy some store bought grease only because this is what the manufacturer is telling me to save some $$$$. So you talk about customer service if something so small is one of their point of views, think how much more thought was put into all the details of their products.
And NO grease on dry drags. Just don't do it. Again why change a product that has been proven to work effectively and be reliable time and again. I'm not nocking other products with wet drag systems I'm just stating what they have told me and many others that greasing their drags is not recommended.
I know there are more expensive products out there and yes with wet drags but if you want to spend the money, you can...but this is also the single vs. 2-speed conversation. Really anything under an HX should be single speed and never a raptor. Spend it on a bigger reel, but that's me talking and now I'm wandering.
So good luck...
Just an update. 3 of my greased 50's and 80's are super smooth since 2006 and 2008(or was it 09)with minimal maintenance and lots of abuse. The 1 50 I didn't grease...well let's say my dad wants to throw it overboard. It's like an old senator with a glazed drag. You should see the pole tip bend and bend to the breaking point and then straighten up lol. Gonna give it the Alan Tani treatment finally. Then I can finally love that reel again.
Sounds good, I'm just say'in.
The tests Avet relates for the single drag reel are not very good real world tests, imho. Essentially they smoke a single drag reel at settings that would destroy it and find a 10% decrease in performance once it gets hot enough to discolor the drag plate. This is not a real world test. If your LX is getting smoked like this you have other problems bigger than a 10% decrease in max drag (a few pounds).
We are interested in how the drag performs over time, in normal use and between maintenance intervals. A real world test is an Avet that has been used hard in the salt and given average attention (at best) to maintenance...
...like those after years of use related by many Avet users in this thread. They found smoother performance for real world (average drag) fishing when they lightly greased their drag washers. They found less corrosion between what are typically long service intervals. Lets face it: Most guys don't take care of their reels properly. What is the best method of protecting a reel for them? Nothing on an exposed drag? Or at least a factory greased drag? I promise you the greased drag reel will hold up to lack of maintenance longer all else being equal.
I think Avet reels will work great if you meticulously keep them flushed from salt. I just believe (FWIW) that the average guy is better served by the protection from corrosion and overall smoother performance at usable drag settings that lightly greased drag washers provide. That seems to be the point of view that Accurate, Daiwa, Okuma, Penn and Shimano have as well.
still love those made in America Avets
I like my Avet reel but do not think much of the design to allow flushing. I fish primarily in salt water, from a boat the never leaves the water for months because it is moored. Consequently the air is full of salt and here in Oregon the air is damp. First year I have owned this reel, drag started sticking. Took it apart and saw salt water intrusion and rust, and this after only 3 months of use. I can see this reel will take much more care than my other reels. No more rinsing off with hose. Company reccomends dunking in water, yet after the experience of water intrusion I don't like doing that. So guess I'll be tearing this reel down frequently to make sure it doesn't rust again. Which is why I grease my drag now. It doesn't stick if I get a little water in there.
First, I think coming from a guy who's serviced an average of 1,000 reels a year (for how many decades now?) -- even Avet engineers should pay attention.
CLEANING OUT SALTWATER
WHAT I GOT FROM THIS THREAD is that Avets are designed to leak water in (more so than other reels) and drain out. That seems like it is prone to leaving a nasty residue of saltwater in tight internal spots.
I wasn't aware of that design -- how to clean or wash down Avet reels after fishing.
Do I have this correctly:
We are supposed to freespool and then douse the reel in fresh water (either by swishing it around in a bucket of water or heavily spraying water on it enough to flush the internal parts)? And then let the reel dry out in free spool?
JERKY DRAGS ON AVET REELS
I own three Avets, MXJ 2-speed, MXJ Raptor, HX Raptor and fish them offshore SOCAL, northern Baja Calif several one-day trips a year. None greased.
My MXJ Raptor was jerky new out of the box - greatly disappointing me - but a few 20-30lb tuna runs smoothed it right out.
I just bought my HX Raptor new and it, too, seems to have jerky drags, but expect my Avet reel will break in on a few hard runs.
HOW TO GET SMOOTH DRAGS ON AVET REELS
What I mean by silky-smooth drags are my Shimano TLD 20 & 30 2-speed reels. They have the carbon fiber-type drags and are greased out of the box. The only rinsing routine I've ever done with these Shimano reels is tighten down the drag and gently spray a little water on them.
That's why dousing my Avets in freshwater with open drags seems so weird.
After reading alantani's posts, I will be going to the dark side, but is it true that greasing Avet drag washers void Avet's warranty?
I would find that hard to believe....
Wow! This post is from 08/09 -14/15! It would be nice to get some updated info. There should be plenty of real world data now. Has Avet changed anything with their design or stance since this period?
Really, I don't mind have a conversation with myself.
And this isn't a thread jack -- proper cleaning after fishing trip has a lot to do about greasing routines and understanding Avet's current design approach.
Google hit this top page 2007 "Cleaning of the avet 2 speeds" post on bdoutdoors-com:
Toilet is not an option (yuck), don't have a dishwasher, and removing the line to soak them overnight in saltX after a day or two on the water (or cracking them open after every time I fish) ... well heck, these are really expensive tools to not know what I am doing and let them corrode up from the inside out and cause sticky drags in the process...
Confused Avet fan.
HOW TO CLEAN AN AVET REEL AFTER FISHING 2018
Okay, I just talked to Avet corporate specialist in Calif.
He recommended the correct procedure for washing down cleaning an Avet reel after fishing as follows:
Close lever to strike
Submerge the reel into clean cold fresh water
Move the reel around for five seconds ONLY in a "churning butter" motion,
Remove the reel from the water, and
Open the lever to free spool and let it dry out.
PS: My two cents on that would be to use a rotating figure-8 churning motion, and to let the reel sit a few minutes to drain a bit before free spooling to let it dry out. I don't think he meant we need to chill the dipping water. I may be inclined to add a very light amount of Salt-X in the water. Your milage may vary.
PPS: After sending a babied MXL in for maintenance - and seeing the condition of replaced parts, the corrosion - I am adding a little more Stop Salt water bucket, immersing the reel in the water until it stops bubbling, then rotating the reel a little more than five seconds to overkill the internal washing of saltwater residue...
Do not use HOT or SOAPY WATTER because they tend to penetrate the bearings and remove the lubricants.
He stressed 5 seconds only in the water, no more no less.
He said the main water entry points are the slight gaps around the spool edges, the same with most reel designs.
He said a lot of line going on/off the reel (repeated casting/reeling in like casting fast-reeling jigs) may add internal saltwater because the water entry points are around both sides of the spool.
He said going beyond his basic advice would be dependent on how much splashing saltwater the reel was exposed to, for example, a splashy ride on a small or long-range boat would expose the reel to a lot more saltwater than a day trip with an experienced crew taking care to minimize saltwater exposure.
Thanks for sharing the updated info
GREASING AVET DRAGS Vs DRY UN-GREASED 2018
The same Avet factory expert recommend NOT greasing Avet drags (on the MXJ and HX Raptors we were discussing) and gave a very thorough visually-based explanation why Avet does not recommend greasing their drag washers.
His explanation was so compelling it put me back on the fence - I'm holding off greasing my Avet drags unless I note a problem later (my new MXJ Raptor ungreased drag got very smooth once I caught a few hard-running tuna).
I understood his opinion HOW the Avet design is all calibrated around ungreased drags and greasing them changes the drag's friction percentage and conflicts with the engineering of various reel parts...
Note: greasing Avet drag washers may void their warranty
If you want a short qualified answer to this question, I would recommend calling Avet directly at 818-576-9895 to help you decide to grease or not to grease your Avet drag washers.
TIGHT LINES ALL ... it was interesting.
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