TLD 30II Pre-Program Dial Slips Unscrews Mystery?

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  1. geebee

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    Have an older TLD 30 2 speed (not the newer A model).

    After turning the lever to free spool, I turn the preset knob pre-program dial (part 151 in the schematic) to set my drag at Strike (20lbs) with spring scale. I put the rig the rod holder for the ride.

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    I make a few dozen eventless drops with a 250gr flat fall and put it in the rod holder.

    I pick it up later for a repeat and discover that Strike position only has a few pounds drag.
    I put it in freespool and dial the 20lbs back in at Strike.

    I make a another few dozen eventless drops with a 250gr flat fall and put it in the rod holder.

    I pick it up later for a repeat and discover that Strike position only has a few pounds drag - again.

    Is there something telltale here I should look at repairing/replacing?

    The reel was just serviced by me before my trip (I opened, cleaned, lubed, replaced genuine new drag pad) and feels 100% functional solid otherwise, but I got it used and only fished it the one 1.5-day trip to San Clemente Island with no bites on this rig.
     
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    NEVERMINd i see
     
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    Did you have another reel right up against it. Bumpy seas?

    Or a buddy messing with you?
     
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    Someone messing with my rig was my first theory, but it would have been a total stranger ... I am just wondering if there are any obvious mechanical issues with the drag setting that someone may recognize.
     
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    PS: I don't think sea motion would turn the knob (short ride and it was encased in a reel cover).

    Though the amount of force needed to turn the TLD30 knob doesn't seem as hard as my new TLD20A II.

    It's like the TLD30 pre-program knob its has lost some of its tension to hold in place.

    In other words, in free spool or in strike, the TLD30 pre-program knob seems easier to turn...
     
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    The knob doesn’t wear as much as Part 10 o-ring and Part 11 takes the most abuse/wear at the V bottom part of it ( sorry don’t know the technical term :) )
     
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    Oh, and the spacers under the lever not in the diagram
     
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    If I was to nuke this poor tension issue with a repair that would ratchet up the TLD30 pre-program knob's ability to stick better in place -- is there a part set that would do it?

    For example, parts 151-154, in my schematic looks like it may be sold as a set under a Shimano TLD 30II part number.

    If it's a mechanical issue, most likely someone before me adjusted the drag with the lever in Strike, my clueless theory...
     
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    Seems you will be calling Shimano soon........

    Pull the lever assembly and look at the parts for wear and ensure the lever and Part 11 are aligned properly

    A bit ago I had a 30 and the lever would not go past Strike because I didn’t align it properly, just thinking out loud.
     
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    I posted a high-resolution 96 TLD30II Reel Repair Supplement (parts schematic) can you advise me the parts to look at?

    I can't recall if Shimano even works on or has parts for the older TLD30 II, but any repair person would want to open it it up - I'm looking more for a clue and DIY project from someone with more TLD experience.

    I have TLD 5, 10, 15, 20AII, and this first generation TLD 30 2 speed reel and I've had them all apart ... still don't know what I'm doing...
     

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    NOTE: I update my parts diagram to reflect actual part names and numbers for this reel.

    Thanks for some clues if you've got the time to look at the issue...
     
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    "Part 10 o-ring" is 0153 Body OOO Seal in the correct chart (right)?

    "Part 11" is 0154 Lever Shaft Body in the correct chart (right)?

    Thanks, that's an easy inspection for me...
     
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    From my limited experience (disclaimer o_O) the parts that get most wear:

    154

    196 (spacer)

    Then the o-ring 153 and spring 152
     
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    last question

    what part of a lever drag system is usually damaged when someone turns the Pre-Program Dial - drag preset knob - when the lever is in strike position
     
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    Thanks I will give those all a look...

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    removed parts from my 30 and looked internal at how the preset parts work together

    and compared the preset knob action to my new TLD 20A II
    the 20 also easily turns when when in free spool, but the 30 is a bit easier

    i think the TLD design could seriously use a ratchet action on its preset dial

    unless there is a known repair issue
    i think my best option is to replace the 0153 seal as earlier recommended to tighten the seal and its friction - and be aware the TLD 2 speeds have an issue with how I handle them in deep jigging flat falls which i've never done before

    i'm most likely bumping the knob loose in freespooling the drop and jigging and need to closer watch what i'm doing
     
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    I check drags on the rigs I expect to fish every morning.

    Strange shit happens overnight.
     
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    I have never seen this issue and I have been at Shimano for over 15 years. I guess in theory the o-ring could have shrunk slightly and not providing adequate tension for the knob. That is an easy fix by just swapping the o-ring. The way the lever drag works it is almost impossible to lose drag force aside from the lever moving or pre-set knob moving.
     
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    Thanks very useful...
     

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