Time for a YT regulation change?

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  1. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I don't target small yellowtail. However, the vast majority of yellowtail in California are between 4 to 12 pounds. That was the case 20 years ago and it's still the case today. What are you proposing for these fish, which are highly aggressive, abundant, and form the bulk of the summer attraction, as of right now? Make them illegal, and you are asking people to find an alternative, and I don't see many alternatives.

    In the last few years, every time there's been talk of a local yellowtail bite, the place became a parking lot. I saw over 100 boats on the horse shoe last year, when the Long Beach yellowtail bite was in full swing. I can almost guarantee most of those boats wouldn't be there, had it been illegal to keep yellowtail under 28 inches. Then what, sculpin gets decimated? Rock fish? Bass? None of these fish can handle the pressure that's currently on yellowtail.

    It might be better for the yellowtail, sure, but how do you propose to transfer the current pressure that exists and which these fish absorb. This is a huge amount of money - through bait sales, boat passes, etc. - and fishing opportunities that are being given up, and the costs will be significant.
     
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  2. mullet

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    Iv'e got to hand it to you.You stand your ground even when 90% of the people disagree with you.Carry on.
     
  3. fishkilr

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    Largemouth are probably the most popular gamefish in the US.
    I wonder what % are kept and if that number is small which I'm very sure it is ....then how can they be the most popular gamefish if people aren't killin em?
     
  4. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Key word: bass.

    Bass fishing is almost religious in how people practice catch and release. But where else is this common? Community can't even get people to release small yellowtail, what makes you think they'll be satisfied with catch and release? I can't see guys who target yellowtail suddenly deciding they're okay with catch and release. No more than I can see the guys who target tuna do the same. Come to think of it we used to get a lot more of those tuna guys; wonder why they don't post here any more.
     
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  5. plj46

    plj46 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Yeah, I am almost at that point now after all your verbal diarrhea. What you started as a dialogue quickly turned into a narcissistic monologue. I love your insistence on data when someone else posts. The forest is disappearing right in front of our eyes and you insist on counting trees before you will believe it.
     
  7. Hardcor

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    Big Part of it
     
  8. Hardcor

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  10. Azarkon

    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Even the guy who started this thread admits there are more yellowtail now than 30 years ago. Data is not a bad word - in fact it's the only argument that actually matters to the people who make the rules. I'm not asking for changes so I'm not the one who has to produce evidence; the onus is on you guys, and unfortunately, 9 pages later, nobody has produced anything.

    Same with every year's yellowtail discussion. Might as well just bump last year's threads, or stick one at the top. Until people realize that collecting data and sponsoring research is the only way to move forward with laws and regulations, nothing is going to change, and with that, I'm done with this.
     
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  11. Day0ne

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    Be thankful for data. In the Gulf of Mexico, NOAA get their data from a Ouija board or something similar. We now have the situation with red snapper where you can't catch anything else out to over 400ft but we have a couple day season because NOAA says they are overfished. They've now shut down triggerfish, amberjack (a yellowtail on steroids) and some of the grouper. They have even given the commercial red snapper to a few guys. By given, I mean that they own the poundage for ever . We would love some data.
     
  12. plj46

    plj46 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Thank God he's done with this.
     
  13. gecsr1

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    Just self goverenen yourself and call it good......if they change the law, it might change like to bluefin take ...2 fish of any size.... then everyone will be crying that the limit is too low......
    don't need any new restricting limits or laws.....
    have a nice day.......
     
  14. 26grumpy

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    The watermarks are waaay up the rope in this thread :D:D:D

    Conditions. What were the conditions in your exact location when you did your research or made your incredible catch. Conditions change rapidly on both micro and macro scales.

    Research and fish stories....if tide, time of day, bait and water conditions are exactly duplicated in the exact same spot each time time we "hit the pier", we have some reliable data for that exact spot. If one part of the equation is different all bets are off.

    Terrafin archives tell big stories. 2009-2012 the entire SoCal Bight was cold green lifeless wasteland. Did the lack of tuna in that zone mean anything other than poor conditions?

    Shit.... if I started fishing in 2014 I'd be bitching about how we wiped out the 20-40# homeguard YT at Box Canyon!!! LOLLOLLOLLOL
     
  15. the SLIDER

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    Thanks for all the responses that utilized brain cells.

    Here are the tallies for posts (5 or more):

    Walkerman - 7
    PLJ46 - 7
    Jigslinger - 8
    Willdoggy - 5
    fishklr - 13
    Hardcore - 8
    SLIDER - 7
    Mullet - 5

    And the Grand Winner
    Azarkon - 32

    Sorry if I missed anyone with 5+.

    RIP
     
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  16. gecsr1

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    mmmmm this thread is still going... someone should close it before the DFG see it.. and changes the YT take.....
     
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  17. mullet

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    Fixed it for ya
     
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  18. sickcat

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    Would someone count up the likes/dislikes in this thread and post the data? TIA

    bieber
     
  19. gecsr1

    gecsr1 28' Aquasport "Reel Adventure II"

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    yes you should ........ your idea..... your task......
    have a great day....
     
  20. wils

    wils lazy-ass well known "member"

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    naw. keyword is: GAFF

    we don't gaff our basses.
     

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