Throwing chunked Yellowtail at a Dorado patty is the way to get them going. Live Yellowtail in the tuna tubs is better then Bonitio and a live 8 inch Yellowtail on the thirty pound with a 4/0 is instant hook up on Dorado.
These are fucking embarrassing!!!Those are pretty decent sized YT. I'm referring to these small fish that you see posted freely on the internet. These pics are not mine, just examples you find online. I'm sure you will agree we should let these small YT fight another day when its bigger.
Good point, LJ. A 10 # yellowtail is just shy of being able to make babies. I would be fine with a 5 fish daily limit, with only 2 that can be under 24".30 years ago YT were scarce to some regard. The species has come back to the Socal area in big numbers in the last 20 or so years. From what the old timers have told me, YT used to be caught off the piers and were considered junk fish. All of us are big fans of the YT because of the incredible fight and table fare.
I look at it this way. I hated killing bass that were 12" due to the measly filet, so I rarely did so. Regulation was 10-ea 12" bass per angler (Good thing the previous bass regulation was not 5 bass any size and 5 over twelve inches). When the regulation changed to 5-ea 14" bass per angler. it took a while for any legal bass to show up, at least in regular numbers. I think it's time to change the regulations for YT which is 10 total, 5 any size and 5 over 24" fork length. I'd like to see 5 fish per angler at least 28" fork length per day. QUIT killing the babies, let them get their NUT on at least once.
Here's a page I saw that has some YT details.
I have been fishing Yellowtail and Tuna locally starting in 1964. Oceanside pier was the longest pier in the state. We caught Bonita and Yellowtail 8 months of the year and some were giants. We never had to go past the 14 or Avalon bank for Albacore or Bluefin. It used to piss us off when the Yellowtail took over, we would run from them for the Tuna. From 1964 until right now, don't let anybody tell youI'm telling you what I heard from SD guys that where there in the late 40's, not 1983. Why not believe them?? Oh ya they're fisherman. One of the fisherman that told me this was named "Dutch" out of NP Landing". Call the dead guy a liar why don't you.
This isn't an issue of "more regulations." Its an issue of modifying the ONE that we now havemore regulations is not the solution.
There is no commercial fishing for YT in California, CoreyThe commercials boats take more in one night then we take in a whole season.
I remember walking the pier with my Dad when i was a little turd and looking through the gaps in the boards and feeling it move with each swell. Your are 100% correct it has changed and not for the better.I have been fishing Yellowtail and Tuna locally starting in 1964. Oceanside pier was the longest pier in the state. We caught Bonita and Yellowtail 8 months of the year and some were giants. We never had to go past the 14 or Avalon bank for Albacore or Bluefin. It used to piss us off when the Yellowtail took over, we would run from them for the Tuna. From 1964 until right now, don't let anybody tell you
that we don't have to conserve. It is one tenth of what it was. I want to let all of you know one thing that is a fact. You and me, us recreational fisherman are not even in the equation. The commercial boats are wiping our fisheries out. The commercials boats take more in one night then we take in a whole season. That is a fact.
PS The little ones don't breed. The big ones have hundreds of thousands of eggs
Release a egg layer
The main damage was done in the 80's and 90's when the first purse seine fishing started here in Southern California. The sonars and fish finding computers were nothing like today's where we can tell what they are by the marks on the screen. The purse seine would wrap a sonar mark and if it wasn't what they wanted, they let it float. It was a practice back then. All us local guy's saw it that fished out of Dana Point. I know it's hard to believe unless you see it with your own eyes. The 70's and 80's I had a plant nursery Called Yoda's World in Dana Point and I fished 300 days a year. My boat was in the Barcardo and after I got things going I was in the water.This isn't an issue of "more regulations." Its an issue of modifying the ONE that we now have
There is no commercial fishing for YT in California, Corey
Other than that, we're good on what you have presented.
This is an assumption. There is no proof that yellowtail can spawn in California except during warm water years. And no proof that when they do spawn, the spawn stays in California. Local yellowtail - the home guards - are nearly always large fish. I don't think that's a coincidence. It's like BFT - many of those fish stay in our waters for years offshore, but there's no evidence that they spawn here and so no evidence that we can actually create a local population through stronger laws.Its not a scare storm. Yellowtail has always been a bonus if caught. Nobody stop fishing when the count for yellowtail is zero on the cattle boats. You have no facts that say the sportfishing fleet will be decimated by a size restriction on yellowtail.
Nobody is saying that yellowtails will become extinct. I am merely saying that by putting in a restriction on SIZE, it would allow a better CHANCE of a local population that stays around. That is not unreasonable. On the other hand, you have no lower size limit, it decimates the population every time they come back north when the water gets warmer.
Again, you're operating off of a complete assumption. Arguing for stronger laws on the basis of an assumption is what created the marine protection zones. You want to go through that again?Your comparison to the rockfish closure is not the same. That is an outright ban on fishing rockfish during certain time of the season. The yellowtail restriction is only on the minimum size. I would wager to bet the ban also helps give the rockfish a chance during spawning season. I have been noticing a lot more smaller reds and other rockfish ever since the ban has been in place. It means there is a chance of having a more sustainable resource in the long run. Nobody in the sportfishing business benefits from a species becoming scarce.
I would argue that having more yellowtail caught throughout the year would benefit sportfishing more than just to catch them during El Nino years and have them disappear entirely for 7-8 years until the next cycle.
You seem to ignore the fact that 99% of the tuna we catch are also baby fish. Why the double standard? People need to get off the out dated belief that minimum size is a holy grail. Recent marine biology research has almost universally shown that selective targeting of large fish is terrible for a population. Should you want to practice conservation, you should actually release the large yellowtail as much as you release the small yellowtail.Are you serious? If you can bounce a yellowtail, it needs to go back into the water. They grow very fast and a 5 lb yellowtail is a baby. It may not even be one year old yet. Rockfish is not even in the same league since they grow at a much slower pace. Stop comparing the two. If I caught a 5 lb rockfish, I would release it back into the wild to spawn again. The same applies to large sheephead.
Let's put it this way, if you are too embarrassed to post picture of the YT you caught, its too small. Some of the YT caught on the cattle boat and kept are smaller than the bonitos.
The regulations for yellowtail have stayed the same for decades without stock collapse, so no, I don't think this is a situation where sufficient caution hasn't already been shown, not to mention I believe recent conditions of the California current have been favoring yellowtail. Knowledge is the answer to fear, not locking yourself in a room. Want to improve the condition of yellowtail? Then both practically and as a matter of principle you should be supporting more research on the stock, not more poorly informed regulations.Since you say over and over there is a lack of data on yellows shouldn't such a situation be treated carefully to protect such a regal fish...
You still don't get it...The regulations for yellowtail have stayed the same for decades, so no, I don't think this is a situation where sufficient caution hasn't already been shown, not to mention I believe recent conditions of the California current have been favoring yellowtail. As I said above, knowledge is the answer to fear, not locking yourself in a room. Want to improve the condition of yellowtail? Then both practically and as a matter of principle you should be supporting more research on the stock, not more poorly informed regulations.
We don't need more laws based on fear, and we definitely don't want to set more of a precedent for laws based on fear. And the best way to counter environmentalist bias in academics, is to sponsor our own research. This is what the fishing association should be doing, and why we should pay money to see it happen.