Time for a YT regulation change?

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You're right, anything can happen in the future, but precisely because of that, it wouldn't be right to say that our current laws aren't working. We shouldn't fear the future, and I get the sense a lot of this talk comes from fear. We're worried that we're taking too many yellowtail, so we want to see more regulations. But the solution to fear isn't to lock ourselves in a room. It's to better understand the world - to obtain more knowledge.

My personal opinion has always been that I'll support a change to yellowtail regulations - once they do the necessary population research, and show that a change is beneficial or needed. I won't support changes to yellowtail regulations just because people fear we might be taking too much.
With catching (not eating) yellows among my favorite things to do on this planet I would prefer they would err on the side of caution because reducing limits or putting on a size limit DEFINITELY will not hurt the population ...no science needed for that..
 

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damn, I thought I missed the annual yt debate ...seems it use to be in mid Jan not the first week
Great responses Gents! Time for a break in the action, 20 seconds


After a trip off shore and getting blanked, I returned to the dock at DP and saw boats loaded with this size YT. I was disgusted. Two of these embryos would fit in a frying pan.
 
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With catching (not eating) yellows among my favorite things to do on this planet I would prefer they would err on the side of caution because reducing limits or putting on a size limit DEFINITELY will not hurt the population ...no science needed for that..
It wouldn't hurt yellowtail, no. But it could change the cost benefit analysis of what boats target and shift pressure else where, which would hurt those species, instead.

Look, the number of boats fishing is increasing, and the standard practice within California is catch and kill, not catch and release. Yellowtail reach age of maturity at 3 years compared to bass and rock fish at 5 to 7. I'd much rather the pressure was on yellowtail even though this seems selfish, it is consistent with their life history.

Oldest yellowtail on record is 12 years. Oldest rock fish, over 200 years. And you can't release rock fish successfully most of the time. We want people fishing yellowtail, bonito, and other fast growing fish most of the year. We already know what happens when the pressure shifts to slow to grow fish. Thus, unless a study shows that current yellowtail fishing is not sustainable, I'm in the wait and see boat.
 
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These stats you refer too definitely inform you of what has happened in our waters over the last fifty years but the only thing that is permanent is change ...
Wahoo and whale sharks at the local rigs,year round bluefin tuna,cubera snapper at pv,successful broomtail breeding,and many other things we haven't seen before have happened the last 5 years in a very short window...
Successful yellowtail spawn in so cal??
The numbers may say no but with the way things have surprised lately it ain't that crazy...
I caught a 25lb yellow in pyramid cove in April about 7 years ago that was milting all over the place when it was gaffed, the water was in the low 60s and the crew told me that they had caught several with the same milting the day before. These fish were staged up in the mud outside on squid beds, and apparently having an orgy out there in a squid bed.
 
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why don't this topic ever come up for BFT on this forum, a fish whose population is in much worse shape and where 99% of the fish caught in California would be illegal under a slot limit? Is it because the people who fish BFT are fundamentally a separate crowd who go after them only for the meat? Is it because BFT are so hard to catch that nobody would even think about releasing one?
Bluefin stupid, Yellowtail smart.

2 Bluefin vs 10 YT any size. One fish swims up and down the coast vs around the globe. if the Sporty is allowing you to keep "football" size BF, shame on everybody.
 
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Seems folks who get to fish a lot are ok with smaller daily limits. But, what about those who get to fish once or twice a year.
Seriously, 5 fish over 28 inches forked length is more than enough in one trip. You're not trying to feed an entire village. The max number is not the issue, the key issue is the minimum size limit needs to be implemented. Cattle boats slaughter the babies when they finally come up during the el Nino years. It would be nice to keep some stock around to keep a healthy local population.
 

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I'm no expert by any means but, regardless of where you stand on this issue, it does seem ironic that when we are catching like crazy, we are talking about increasing regulations. It seems ironic because if we are catching like crazy, then in one way or another, that implies a healthy population of fish. Obviously, there are questions of sustainability. There is a lot of valid arguments being made on each side. If you think back to 2009-2010 (or so, can't remember exact years) there were a couple seasons that were brutally slow. I felt lucky to be catching rat yellows on a 1.5 day on the Eclipse back then, haha. Now a bunch of you guys are killing yellows, dodo's, yellowfin and bluefin pretty consistently all on private boats out of SoCal. I haven't been around long enough to understand long term cycles in our local fishing but these last few seasons have been the best I can remember by far. I don't ever remember half day boats killing so many yellows as in recent years.
 

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I am no biologist either, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the food chain is controlled by nature. If we were solely reliant on fish for food, our population would be dying off from starvation due to over-harvesting. That is what makes us such a dangerous part of any food chain. We don't harvest because we have to, we harvest for sport. I have seen not only the quantity but the quality of So. Cal. ocean fish drastically decrease in my lifetime, as I am sure most of you have as well.
 
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Leave the fuckin laws alone and set your own damn limits. Fuckin state already has too many fricken laws. Self police yourself and let others make their own decision.
 

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Are you a politician or legislator? I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Maybe all coast.com will converse with you better
 

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Good idea I couldn’t agree more
Or maybe folks should regulate themselves.
It’s great as a community to come together with ideas to make fishing better for the future.
Cheers
 

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GTFOH. Small ones taste way better. This site is called blooddecks, not PETA.
Sorry, going to have to disagree. Best YT I've ever had are the 40-50 pounders (from Guadalupe). Super fatty. Almost like a different fish.

But I'll keep a local 10 lb. fish any day,
 

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Seriously, 5 fish over 28 inches forked length is more than enough in one trip. You're not trying to feed an entire village. The max number is not the issue, the key issue is the minimum size limit needs to be implemented. Cattle boats slaughter the babies when they finally come up during the el Nino years. It would be nice to keep some stock around to keep a healthy local population.
28 inches = 10 pounds according to the chart on page 1. The vast majority of local fish do not meet this definition. A size limit of 28 inches will just about certainly kill sport boat numbers and cause them to shift to other fish. The over night boats that go deep into Mexico or 60 miles off shore will probably survive, but the rest, forget about it.

Again, had this been Mexico, I'd be all for it because there's enough 15 to 30 pound fish for everyone, but this isn't Mexico. The population structure here is completely different from their home ocean, and not stable enough for a slot limit. California laws need to account for California conditions, not just general fish biology in the fish's home ocean.
 
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Glad you all know more than the fish biologists
 
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My personal opinion has always been that I'll support a change to yellowtail regulations - once they do the necessary population research, and show that a change is beneficial or needed. I won't support changes to yellowtail regulations just because people fear we might be taking too much.
We have a WINNER!!

I too am not against stricter YT regs to let them grow a little more but I'll want to see some data that it will make an improvement to the stock. The argument that it must be better because it "makes sense" doesn't cut it.

Spend the money and do the science - then lets the regs fall where they may. In the meanwhile the regs are the minimum. If you feel the need personally not to keep any then good on ya!
 

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We throw all size back when we have enough to eat.Year before last on IZORs we threw back maybe a dz 20lb plus fish.Limit your kill,dont kill your limit.JMHO,Tom
 

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28 inches = 10 pounds according to the chart on page 1. The vast majority of local fish do not meet this definition. A size limit of 28 inches will just about certainly kill sport boat numbers and cause them to shift to other fish. The over night boats that go deep into Mexico or 60 miles off shore will probably survive, but the rest, forget about it.

Again, had this been Mexico, I'd be all for it because there's enough 15 to 30 pound fish for everyone, but this isn't Mexico. The population structure here is completely different from their home ocean, and not stable enough for a slot limit. California laws need to account for California conditions, not just general fish biology in the fish's home ocean.
That is bullcrap. If you don't let them grow, you will never know. All you have to do is see pictures of hundreds of 5 lbs or smaller yt on the cattle boats. I rather let them grow and have a chance of even getting to 10 lbs. The fish grows to well over 30+ lbs even in local waters. If you don't believe, go to Farnsworth when they are biting.

The only fish I rather not have a size limit are the rockfish. This is mainly due to barotrauma and the small fish won't survive without a descending device. They are going to die whether is in a bag or floating on the surface to be picked by seagulls.

They said closing rockfishing from Jan to March would kill the sportboats. They are still doing just fine.

I think having a minimum size limit on YT, whether its 28 inches or 22 or some other measurement is something that needs to be done. Without it, the yellowtail stock dies quickly right after an El Nino year. Most of the fish migrate back due to the water temps, but some stay to become home guards. The more babies we let live, the better the chance there will be a local population.

Your argument is nonsense. If there are no YT around, the sport boats will just catch other fish. The high numbers you see in local fishing boats is usually mass slaughter of the smaller yellow tails.
 
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That is bullcrap. If you don't let them grow, you will never know. All you have to do is see pictures of hundreds of 5 lbs or smaller yt on the cattle boats. I rather let them grow and have a chance of even getting to 10 lbs. The fish grows to well over 30+ lbs even in local waters. If you don't believe, go to Farnsworth when they are biting.

The only fish I rather not have a size limit are the rockfish. This is mainly due to barotrauma and the small fish won't survive without a descending device. They are going to die whether is in a bag or floating on the surface to be picked by seagulls.

They said closing rockfishing from Jan to March would kill the sportboats. They are still doing just fine.

I think having a minimum size limit on YT, whether its 28 inches or 22 or some other measurement is something that needs to be done. Without it, the yellowtail stock dies quickly right after an El Nino year. Most of the fish migrate back due to the water temps, but some stay to become home guards. The more babies we let live, the better the chance there will be a local population.

Your argument is nonsense. If there are no YT around, the sport boats will just catch other fish. The high numbers you see in local fishing boats is usually mass slaughter of the smaller yellow tails.
Several sport boats did go out of business after the 1999 rock fish crash. Others switched to fish like sculpin which then crashed as well, and bass, we all know what happened there. There is a cost to these kinds of changes and no, businesses don’t just “adapt” after a certain stage. I’ve seen many fishing businesses collapse in my time, and while a lot of these deserved to fail because what they were doing was not sustainable, others were simply caught in an excessive environmentalist movement that didn’t bother to check the facts before stirring up a scare storm.

This yellowtail scare is much closer to the latter than the former. It’s just like the marine protection zones, but worse because there they had a small amount of data and research to back them up where as here we have none.

Like I said, it’s not hard to get informed and anyone who is informed know there’s been no recent studies of yellowtail populations and no anecdotal evidence either that the population is struggling. Any change would be based on fear rather than data.
 
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Several sport boats did go out of business after the 1999 rock fish crash. Others switched to fish like sculpin which then crashed as well, and bass, we all know what happened there. There is a cost to these kinds of changes and no, businesses don’t just “adapt” after a certain stage. I’ve seen many fishing businesses collapse in my time, and while a lot of these deserved to fail because what they were doing was not sustainable, others were simply caught in an excessive environmentalist movement that didn’t bother to check the facts before stirring up a scare storm.

This yellowtail scare is much closer to the latter than the former. It’s just like the marine protection zones, but worse because there they had a small amount of data and research to back them up where as here we have none.

Like I said, it’s not hard to get informed and anyone who is informed know there’s been no studies of yellowtail populations and no anecdotal evidence either that the population is struggling.
So you're saying you're good with 4-5lb yellowtail being kept? Just checking & making sure we get this straight ;)

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