Time for a YT regulation change?

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And you surmise this from what?
From the fact that unless it's stupid wfo most rent rodders and/or newbies don't usually catch yellows on that once or twice a year trip that they take. Even if they manage to hook one it usually end in farmed fish.
 

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I believe the main reason all the inshore species have improved is that we are seeing the real effect of prop. 132, the banning of gillnets from 1994.
 

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Seems folks who get to fish a lot are ok with smaller daily limits. But, what about those who get to fish once or twice a year.
interesting statement. i have often thought about how many fish i take (fishing 5-8 times a year) versus people who fish every weekend or more.
 
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Maybe we should make Clownifornia a sanctuary state for yellowtail and all those baby yellowfin tuna. LOLLOL:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
only the rapists and felon fis
Yellowtail numbers are up because they stopped making Newells. :Smoke_Emoticon:
im still waiting for someone competent to start making new reels based on the newell design, but with modern parts where needed. i would like to try, but i am INcompetent so i will just wait and complain.
 

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And you surmise this from what?
Do you catch Yellows every time you fish ? i sure don't.You're odds decrease significantly only fishing once a year.
 

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I think we dont see yellows on the beach nearly as much due to the poor water quality because of the huge increase in population and resulting runoff and discharge.
 

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From the fact that unless it's stupid wfo most rent rodders and/or newbies don't usually catch yellows on that once or twice a year trip that they take. Even if they manage to hook one it usually end in farmed fish.
It is stupid to think that all, or even most, folks who go once or twice a year are rent rodders or newbies.
 
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Do you catch Yellows every time you fish ? i sure don't.You're odds decrease significantly only fishing once a year.
It depends upon wether you target them or not, and when you fish.
 

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It is stupid to think that all, or even most, folks who go once or twice a year are rent rodders or newbies.
How many great fishermen are there that own their own gears but only goes once or twice a year and would score yellowtail on those 1 or 2 trips? Would that number be greater than the average person that goes once or twice a year and rent gears? Or own inadequate gears? From my experience, people who fish this infrequently usually fall in the latter category.

You seem very defensive when this point was brought up by another poster. Maybe you don't fish often and took it as an indictment of your fishing prowess. If you're a great fisherman that doesn't fish that often...awesome congrats. But you're definitely the outlier and not the norm of people in that category.
 

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Azarkon posted facts about yellowtail being caught in abundance from piers in the early part of the 20th century...and you responded to that by putting blame on a group of people from a different time period.

So is this a troll post? You can't be this ignorant...or blatant...or both.
when did many of the schools that were progeny of the thousands of yt that azarkon mentioned disappear off san pedro and SMB?
Oh......about the same time I mentioned.

or are we ONLY allowed to speak about how fishing was over a hundred years ago? That would seem kind of silly
 

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when did many of the schools that were progeny of the thousands of yt that azarkon mentioned disappear off san pedro and SMB?
Oh......about the same time I mentioned.

or are we ONLY allowed to speak about how fishing was over a hundred years ago? That would seem kind of silly
I'm not sure what kind of revisionist history you're applying here as I don't remember yellowtail being abundant from piers during the '78-'90 period. There were sporadic periods like El Nino years where they do make an appearance like 2015, 1998, 1993, 1983 where I personal caught or saw yellows caught from piers. I do know that you could get copies of fish counts from various SoCal piers from the early part of the 20th Century showing massive amounts of yellowtail, wsb, barracuda and many other fish caught regularly from those piers.

But I get it. Why let facts get in the way when you want to scapegoat a group of people. Keep on keepin' on.
 
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and one can also check news stories from the mid-to-late 70s about "certain folk" getting busted at night with no lights on their boats and holds full of yellowtail.
Right...so these instances of poaching from these 'certain folks' wiped out the yellowtail fishing from piers in SoCal is your position.

Like I said...when someone wants to scapegoat a group facts or logic don't matter.

I'm done. The conversation was fun but predictable. 8-)
 

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The logic they should make the regulations more strict because the fish have come back in a significant way, doesn't make much sense. Fish and game are concerned first and most with a fish's overall population; they don't operate under the logic that because yellowtail is now more abundant, there should be more rules to make them larger. The reason yellowtail don't have strict laws is because they've always been considered an abundant fish, and the observation that there's more yellowtail now will only prove that more.

So in case you want the laws to become more strict, then what you should try to do, is to prove that yellowtail populations are struggling, not that they're doing better than before. I doubt you can do that, though, in these warm water years, so I doubt the regulations will change.

Also, there's a geographic factor you have to consider. Most of the yellowtail we see every year are not local fish. They come from Mexico. And most of these migrating fish are small. So in a sense, we don't actually get to access the bulk of the adult population here in California, and our actions won't result in a corresponding increase in big fish. So who would we be helping, ultimately? Remember, party boats depend on small yellowtail a lot for their summer fishing, and their customers demand to take home fish, so they're not going to support it.
All very good points, especially the first paragraph. The last paragraph goes south for me. Even Mexico has a 5 fish limit. Rarely would a fishing outfit in Mexico let you keep a rat YT. They are into preserving their resource. Plus it's F-ing embarrassing for them come back to port with rat YT. Here it's a different story. OP walkerman posted this, "What about the rest of the folks on the boat? I suspect that if a captain tried to enforce artificially low limits, he would lose business". So TRUE. On the internet or in a paper a YT is a YT in print, no mater the size. The whole outlook here is ridiculous. Help me help you. If we were patient with this fast growing species, make sure they breed, then take home a decent fillet from a 28" fish (That is if the angler has enough know how to do so) we'd then know the end result in a few years. Some YT do become homeguards (Mossbacks) I've seen/caught them.

Party and private boats target those every single day and hundreds of thousands are caught. It's not that they've disappeared. It's that they now end up in people's boats.

Yellowtail like most top water ocean fish are fast growing and very sensitive to conditions. Depending on water temperature, they're here one year, gone the next, so I'd probably not support using a traditional lake fishing type of regulation to manage them. There's no evidence what's holding the population back is people keeping small yellowtail; and unless the benefit can be proven it's against our interest to ask for more rules.
First paragraph - I cut in order for you to make my point.

Second paragraph - There's no proof that taking the small YT are increasing the numbers either, lol. All of us who fish regularly should be sports man and keep a clear conscience, doing what's right. I just want to let a couple of guys who post a thread with accompanying images showing full limit of rats, I'm not that impressed. The folks who only fish one time a year, take your rats for dinner, that may be all you capable of catching. See ya next year.

This thread wasn't a rally cry to get folks aboard changing a DFW regulation, only to throw the subject out there to see how others feel about it.

Seeing your post's Azarkon I'm sure you'll respond with a counterpoint whether you agree with me or not. Were you ever the president of the debate club in HS? You know, where they give you a subject to debate and tell you what stance to take in order to win the argument? I enjoy your post's.
 
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I get what you're saying, I just don't think there's much evidence showing that it would result in bigger fish. The reason behind a size limit is usually to ensure that the fish has had a chance to reproduce before it's caught, which is important to maintain strong recruitment. But in cases where recruitment is already solid, does it actually result in larger size classes over time? The evidence seems to be mixed. Reason being, when you direct people to keep only larger fish, the fish experiences a natural selection effect towards smaller body sizes. So you end up selecting for dwarfs.
 

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How many great fishermen are there that own their own gears but only goes once or twice a year and would score yellowtail on those 1 or 2 trips? Would that number be greater than the average person that goes once or twice a year and rent gears? Or own inadequate gears? From my experience, people who fish this infrequently usually fall in the latter category.

You seem very defensive when this point was brought up by another poster. Maybe you don't fish often and took it as an indictment of your fishing prowess. If you're a great fisherman that doesn't fish that often...awesome congrats. But you're definitely the outlier and not the norm of people in that category.

Maybe I do not fish as often as I would like .... for any number of reasons. But no, I did not take it as an “indictment” of my fishing prowess. Rather, I took it as an indication of the posters smug asinine conceit. There are a lot of really good fisherfolks who have well rounded lives and spend a lot of time doing things other than fishing.
 
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Maybe I do not fish as often as I would like .... for any number of reasons. But no, I did not take it as an “indictment” of my fishing prowess. Rather, I took it as an indication of the posters smug asinine conceit. There are a lot of really good fisherfolks who have well rounded lives and spend a lot of time doing things other than fishing.
Oh I'm sure all of us don't fish as often as we would like to no matter how much we fish. :D

No doubt there are some great fisher-people that only get to go out a few times a year. The majority of those infrequent folks, though, are still the ones up the side of day boats with dropper setups fishing for whatever bites on the bottom when the yellows are going off on flyline baits in the stern or irons in the bow. I usually hand off hooked yellows to those folks so they could have a more enjoyable experience. They usually appreciate that.

I could see how you would look at statements like that from plj46 as smug, conceited even asinine. Consider that your statement implying people who fish more often than you to not have rounded lives could also be viewed in the same light by some. :hali_olutta:

Fishing is great no matter how often we do it!

Tight lines!