interesting statement. i have often thought about how many fish i take (fishing 5-8 times a year) versus people who fish every weekend or more.Seems folks who get to fish a lot are ok with smaller daily limits. But, what about those who get to fish once or twice a year.
only the rapists and felon fisMaybe we should make Clownifornia a sanctuary state for yellowtail and all those baby yellowfin tuna.
im still waiting for someone competent to start making new reels based on the newell design, but with modern parts where needed. i would like to try, but i am INcompetent so i will just wait and complain.Yellowtail numbers are up because they stopped making Newells.
It is stupid to think that all, or even most, folks who go once or twice a year are rent rodders or newbies.From the fact that unless it's stupid wfo most rent rodders and/or newbies don't usually catch yellows on that once or twice a year trip that they take. Even if they manage to hook one it usually end in farmed fish.
How many great fishermen are there that own their own gears but only goes once or twice a year and would score yellowtail on those 1 or 2 trips? Would that number be greater than the average person that goes once or twice a year and rent gears? Or own inadequate gears? From my experience, people who fish this infrequently usually fall in the latter category.It is stupid to think that all, or even most, folks who go once or twice a year are rent rodders or newbies.
when did many of the schools that were progeny of the thousands of yt that azarkon mentioned disappear off san pedro and SMB?Azarkon posted facts about yellowtail being caught in abundance from piers in the early part of the 20th century...and you responded to that by putting blame on a group of people from a different time period.
So is this a troll post? You can't be this ignorant...or blatant...or both.
I'm not sure what kind of revisionist history you're applying here as I don't remember yellowtail being abundant from piers during the '78-'90 period. There were sporadic periods like El Nino years where they do make an appearance like 2015, 1998, 1993, 1983 where I personal caught or saw yellows caught from piers. I do know that you could get copies of fish counts from various SoCal piers from the early part of the 20th Century showing massive amounts of yellowtail, wsb, barracuda and many other fish caught regularly from those piers.when did many of the schools that were progeny of the thousands of yt that azarkon mentioned disappear off san pedro and SMB?
Oh......about the same time I mentioned.
or are we ONLY allowed to speak about how fishing was over a hundred years ago? That would seem kind of silly
Right...so these instances of poaching from these 'certain folks' wiped out the yellowtail fishing from piers in SoCal is your position.and one can also check news stories from the mid-to-late 70s about "certain folk" getting busted at night with no lights on their boats and holds full of yellowtail.
All very good points, especially the first paragraph. The last paragraph goes south for me. Even Mexico has a 5 fish limit. Rarely would a fishing outfit in Mexico let you keep a rat YT. They are into preserving their resource. Plus it's F-ing embarrassing for them come back to port with rat YT. Here it's a different story. OP walkerman posted this, "What about the rest of the folks on the boat? I suspect that if a captain tried to enforce artificially low limits, he would lose business". So TRUE. On the internet or in a paper a YT is a YT in print, no mater the size. The whole outlook here is ridiculous. Help me help you. If we were patient with this fast growing species, make sure they breed, then take home a decent fillet from a 28" fish (That is if the angler has enough know how to do so) we'd then know the end result in a few years. Some YT do become homeguards (Mossbacks) I've seen/caught them.The logic they should make the regulations more strict because the fish have come back in a significant way, doesn't make much sense. Fish and game are concerned first and most with a fish's overall population; they don't operate under the logic that because yellowtail is now more abundant, there should be more rules to make them larger. The reason yellowtail don't have strict laws is because they've always been considered an abundant fish, and the observation that there's more yellowtail now will only prove that more.
So in case you want the laws to become more strict, then what you should try to do, is to prove that yellowtail populations are struggling, not that they're doing better than before. I doubt you can do that, though, in these warm water years, so I doubt the regulations will change.
Also, there's a geographic factor you have to consider. Most of the yellowtail we see every year are not local fish. They come from Mexico. And most of these migrating fish are small. So in a sense, we don't actually get to access the bulk of the adult population here in California, and our actions won't result in a corresponding increase in big fish. So who would we be helping, ultimately? Remember, party boats depend on small yellowtail a lot for their summer fishing, and their customers demand to take home fish, so they're not going to support it.
First paragraph - I cut in order for you to make my point.Party and private boats target those every single day and hundreds of thousands are caught. It's not that they've disappeared. It's that they now end up in people's boats.
Yellowtail like most top water ocean fish are fast growing and very sensitive to conditions. Depending on water temperature, they're here one year, gone the next, so I'd probably not support using a traditional lake fishing type of regulation to manage them. There's no evidence what's holding the population back is people keeping small yellowtail; and unless the benefit can be proven it's against our interest to ask for more rules.
How many great fishermen are there that own their own gears but only goes once or twice a year and would score yellowtail on those 1 or 2 trips? Would that number be greater than the average person that goes once or twice a year and rent gears? Or own inadequate gears? From my experience, people who fish this infrequently usually fall in the latter category.
You seem very defensive when this point was brought up by another poster. Maybe you don't fish often and took it as an indictment of your fishing prowess. If you're a great fisherman that doesn't fish that often...awesome congrats. But you're definitely the outlier and not the norm of people in that category.
Oh I'm sure all of us don't fish as often as we would like to no matter how much we fish.Maybe I do not fish as often as I would like .... for any number of reasons. But no, I did not take it as an “indictment” of my fishing prowess. Rather, I took it as an indication of the posters smug asinine conceit. There are a lot of really good fisherfolks who have well rounded lives and spend a lot of time doing things other than fishing.