Time for a YT regulation change?

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30 years ago YT were scarce to some regard. The species has come back to the Socal area in big numbers in the last 20 or so years. From what the old timers have told me, YT used to be caught off the piers and were considered junk fish. All of us are big fans of the YT because of the incredible fight and table fare.

I look at it this way. I hated killing bass that were 12" due to the measly filet, so I rarely did so. Regulation was 10-ea 12" bass per angler (Good thing the previous bass regulation was not 5 bass any size and 5 over twelve inches). When the regulation changed to 5-ea 14" bass per angler. it took a while for any legal bass to show up, at least in regular numbers. I think it's time to change the regulations for YT which is 10 total, 5 any size and 5 over 24" fork length. I'd like to see 5 fish per angler at least 28" fork length per day. QUIT killing the babies, let them get their NUT on at least once.

Here's a page I saw that has some YT details.

http://www.csun.edu/~nmfrp/yellowtail.html
 
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30 years ago YT where scarce to some regard. The species has come back to the Socal area in big numbers in the last 20 or so years. From what the old timers have told be, YT used to be caught of the piers and were considered junk fish. All of us are big fans of the YT because of the incredible fight and table fare.

I look at it this way. I hated killing bass that were 12" due to the measly filet, so I rarely did so. Regulation was 10-ea 12" bass per angler (Good thing the previous bass regulation was not 5 bass any size and 5 over twelve inches). When the regulation changed to 5-ea 14" bass per angler. it took a while for any legal bass to show up, at least in regular numbers. I think it's time to change the regulations for YT which is 10 total, 5 any size and 5 over 24" fork length. I'd like to see 5 fish per angler at least 28" fork length per day. QUIT killing the babies, let them get their NUT on at least once.

Here's a page I saw that has some YT details.

http://www.csun.edu/~nmfrp/yellowtail.html



I do agree that it may be time to re-examine the YT regs.
However, those "old timers" were mostly BS'ing you.
There were a handful of times when chasing WSB with precious live squid, that hooking a YT was a disappointment, and offshore kelp paddies, then as now, held smaller rats that ate baits intended for tuna species. But never considered junk fish.
YT were fairly common off piers during the 1983 El Nino, but other than that, just as many are caught now as back then. [also note catches of whopper YT on Crystal Pier in recent years].
 
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Seems folks who get to fish a lot are ok with smaller daily limits. But, what about those who get to fish once or twice a year.
 

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I do agree that it may be time to re-examine the YT regs.
However, those "old timers" were mostly BS'ing you.
There were a handful of times when chasing WSB with precious live squid, that hooking a YT was a disappointment, and offshore kelp paddies, then as now, held smaller rats that ate baits intended for tuna species. But never considered junk fish.
YT were fairly common off piers during the 1983 El Nino, but other than that, just as many are caught now as back then. [also note catches of whopper YT on Crystal Pier in recent years].
I'm telling you what I heard from SD guys that where there in the late 40's, not 1983. Why not believe them?? Oh ya they're fisherman. One of the fisherman that told me this was named "Dutch" out of NP Landing". Call the dead guy a liar why don't you.
 
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The logic they should make the regulations more strict because the fish have come back in a significant way, doesn't make much sense. Fish and game are concerned first and most with a fish's overall population; they don't operate under the logic that because yellowtail is now more abundant, there should be more rules to make them larger. The reason yellowtail don't have strict laws is because they've always been considered an abundant fish, and the observation that there's more yellowtail now will only prove that more.

So in case you want the laws to become more strict, then what you should try to do, is to prove that yellowtail populations are struggling, not that they're doing better than before. I doubt you can do that, though, in these warm water years, so I doubt the regulations will change.

Also, there's a geographic factor you have to consider. Most of the yellowtail we see every year are not local fish. They come from Mexico. And most of these migrating fish are small. So in a sense, we don't actually get to access the bulk of the adult population here in California, and our actions won't result in a corresponding increase in big fish. So who would we be helping, ultimately? Remember, party boats depend on small yellowtail a lot for their summer fishing, and their customers demand to take home fish, so they're not going to support it.
 

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I just have to put this in,lets say 1947 as late 40s and lets say the guy was 20,meaning he was born around 1927,how much do you think they REALLY remember now?Tom
 
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According to news reports from way back, maybe a hundred years ago, there used to be schools of thousands of yellowtail that would hit the pier and the beach in the fall and winter, but that was before boat fishing took off in California. I don't think there's necessarily less yellowtail today than in the past, but that all of the yellowtail are being caught by boat guys during the summer. Party and private boats target those every single day and hundreds of thousands are caught. It's not that they've disappeared. It's that they now end up in people's boats.

Yellowtail like most top water ocean fish are fast growing and very sensitive to conditions. Depending on water temperature, they're here one year, gone the next, so I'd probably not support using a traditional lake fishing type of regulation to manage them. There's no evidence what's holding the population back is people keeping small yellowtail; and unless the benefit can be proven it's against our interest to ask for more rules.
 

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I've always thought 10 was too many. But we also need to allow the less fortunate fisherman take home a few also. Maybe 5 total, 3 over/2 under 24"
 

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I think he meant chum them with bread and hookless barbs? ??
 
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Why don't we do it on our own. We do not need more laws. Let the captains know you would like to have a size limit enforced on the boat.
What about the rest of the folks on the boat? I suspect that if a captain tried to enforce artificially low limits, he would lose business.