Thread Tag End Management for Fade Wraps

skrilla

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This subject was brought up recently by a member on here wanting to improve on their fade wrap skills. The following sample could also be applied to other types of thread work for a cleaner execution. Judging by the lack of pictures showing the darkside I think this would be beneficial advice for many on here.

Disclaimer, I'm no expert... always learning. But here's what I do after 10 years in the game.

Start wrapping. After a couple of add-ins manage your tag ends. I prefer to keep them aligned using the glare from my shop lights as a guide.
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Gather the tag ends you want to cut. Then cut and flare the tag ends. Flaring helps keep down the bulk and makes for a smoother transition when wrapping.
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Quick note: this project is a little tricky. Metallic thread on matte finish. A combo for very slippery conditions. In this scenario I bury the tag ends deeper than normal otherwise I risk the wraps slipping and unraveling under normal tension.

Moving on, another add-in.
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Manage and gather your tag ends.
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Cut and flare. Another thing I do but not pictured is I make sure to pack the thread so it's nice and neat. Squared ends and no gaps to worry about later.
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Further into the process. Always making sure tag ends are aligned and buried along the glare of the lights. Also making sure everything is packed nice and neat. Attention to detail only takes a few seconds.
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Final sample. Packed, burnished, fuzzies singed with a flame, and dust picked off with low tack masking tape. Here's a picture all too common in the rod building world. A view from the top side showing off "our best work". I've seen this time and time again.
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Now here's a view from the darkside.
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Flared ends and very little bulk.
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Zoomed in trying to expose the flaws.
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In my opinion the darkside best reveals the true testament of your skills. No hiding here. As you may see, not perfect... but I don't claim to be. Always a work in progress.

Hope this helps improve your skills. And of course if you got any tips and tricks feel free to chime in. I'm always looking for ways to better my techniques.

Thanks for reading.
 

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"Darkside". I like it. And the lightline tip can be invaluable for a whole bunch of wrapping techniques. Nice post.
 

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BRAVO Len! This is a great tutorial and will surely help a lot of builders. Might be beneficial to put this thread in the tutorial section also.
 

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Good post! The almighty dark side. I had issues with them creeping too. I try now to just work upward away from where the thread will naturally want to creep. Interesting way of doing it Len. I use a single Inlay for the whole fade. Introducing a new stretch of thread when I am running out.
I gotta get me some bobbins i hear they’re a game changer.
 
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skrilla

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I use a single Inlay for the whole fade.
Here's what I find works best for me. Single thread inlays for up to 3 turns. I find that more than 3 turns starts to become unmanageable.

For fade wraps you have your single inlay... tag ends buried and then gathered together.
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Cut and flared. Packed and squared.
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Add-in the 2 turn.
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Tag ends buried, following fade sequence of course.
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Gather tag ends.
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Cut and flared. Packed and squared. Starting to sound redundant. But sometimes redundancy is a great learning method. ;)
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More redundancy. Add-in the 3 turn...
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Quick note: fade sequence is 10-1, 9-2, 8-3, 7-4, 6-5, 5-6, 4-7, 3-8, 2-9, 1-10.

Quick note #2: if you're paying attention then you'll notice I changed the way I made my tag end cuts. But I'm still able to achieve a cleaner darkside. It's all about thread tag end management. Find a way that works for you. Or better yet, find multiple ways to get the job done. Because sometimes you will need to adjust your approach.

To be continued in the next post. How I add-in the 4 turn in my fade sequence...
 

skrilla

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The 4 turn.

Getting the 4 turn started. Running off both bobbins now.
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Getting the turns going. Cutting and dropping the purple thread after the tag end is anchored.
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4 turn complete.
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You know this one by now. Manage your tag ends. Gather and align.
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Cut and flare the ones you want. Pack and square as neccessary.
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Moving on. Add-in purple. Drop white.
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Remember your sequence. 6 turn purple.
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Tag ends buried.
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Tag end management... gather, align, cut, flare, pack, and square. Don't forget to breathe.
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Gotcha I see how your doing it. Nice
 

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Didn't take pictures as I got down to the purple 3 turn. But it's basically the same technique as when starting the fade.

Here's how I finished the wrap.
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Sharp blades make for clean cuts
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Packed, burnished, fuzzies singed with a flame, and dust picked off with low tack masking tape. Hey that sounds familiar.
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Tools of the trade. Coffee out of frame.
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And THIS is why Len is my builder....Always so clean and meticulous....:rockin::daman:
 

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You are very OCD and one of the BEST builders I have had the pleasure of learning from!!! Your work is always top notch!! Bobbins are definitely the way to go! Miss seeing you brother, hugs to the fam!!!
 

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I'm liking your bobbin modification. You can control the tension better by wrapping the thread around the leg and then through the rod tip. Genius!
 
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The rod tips on the bobbins - my mind is blown! I’ve been fighting threading them and also metallics getting roughed up if I’m power wrapping with them too fast. Brilliant!
 
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I'm liking your bobbin modification. You can control the tension better by wrapping the thread around the leg and then through the rod tip. Genius!
I learned that tip from someone, I forget who, at the rod building class here in San Diego. I got tired bobbins dropping to the floor because of the spool weight or slickness. I also stick a patch or 2 of masking tape in the spool hole to get rid of the squeal when doing base wraps at full throttle.

The rod tips on the bobbins - my mind is blown! I’ve been fighting threading them and also metallics getting roughed up if I’m power wrapping with them too fast. Brilliant!
Half of my bobbins have burrs inside the tubing. This solves that problem. And not having to fight threading them thru is a plus. Size 8 tube size IIRC.
 

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I learned that tip from someone, I forget who, at the rod building class here in San Diego. I got tired bobbins dropping to the floor because of the spool weight or slickness. I also stick a patch or 2 of masking tape in the spool hole to get rid of the squeal when doing base wraps at full throttle.



Half of my bobbins have burrs inside the tubing. This solves that problem. And not having to fight threading them thru is a plus. Size 8 tube size IIRC.
Dammit, just saw the tube size right when I get back from the tackle shop! Oh well I guess it calls for another trip for serious business :D
 
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thanks Len. I think the reason I am getting the rotation on my tags is I am carrying the two bobbins all the way through the wrap. I dont cut and re enter like you do. And the weight pulls it down and starts the rotation. I also cut my tags much sooner. you carry them further and then straighten .. pack.. and tag manage. And obviously it looks better than what I do. I remember watching you use a pick to hold the point on the "darkside" line. so much knowledge being passed on here. It is the subtle things that make a good builder and you are one of the best I know.

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great presentation...Thanks...