Offshore Thieves on long range boats?

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abdiver7777

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I always keep my cash on me but for those who don't is there any reason you couldn't put it in a sealed envelope and ask the captain to hang onto it until the end of the trip? Just sayin....

Many years ago while diving off a boat out of 22nd Street Landing on a charter many of us had the same thing happen.... hard to dive with your wallet......

Someone finally caught one of the deckhhands on another trip going through the divers wallets after they were all in the water...... It almost caused a mutiny and despite pleas from the family owned operation the passengers demanded that the Sheriffs be waiting at the landing and the prick was arrested. Unless there is a witness nothing is gonna happen sorry to say......
 
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

He could have brought everyone into the galley and told them no harm, no foul but if the money isn't in my wheelhouse in one hour I will make a call and SDPD or the coasties will meet us at the dock. Nobody gets off the boat until they do a complete investigation. If we find the thief we will press full charges.


Or after one hour he will escort everybody one on one and go through their shit.

Or probably several other things to get to the bottom of this. Boats are very small places...and there's not more than a couple dozen people on board.

To just say "fuck it" isn't acceptable.

I have no idea what the legality of keeping people from disembarking a boat is. Can the captain keep people from leaving? If so, then what Chuck says may work, but it could also get very ugly on board?

I like the idea of making the announcement a few hours before you dock, that police and CG will be waiting at the docks..that might scare someone into returning the cash....but other then that, how can you prove who the cash belonged to, unless it is marked like other have suggested.
 
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    If it was a substantial amount of money then it was probably enough to qualify as grand theft which is a felony. Your friend should make a crime report with the local PD that handles the landing. The detective handling the case can get a copy of the manifest which will have the name, address and birth date of everyone on the trip. If he is a good detective he will run record checks on all the names and see if any of the people are on probation, parole or have criminal records for theft or drugs. He can also do some interviews and maybe even a voluntary polygraph if someone looks good for the crime. Even if the detective does not do any followup he will still have a list of all the possible suspects and if he gets a similar case in the future he can compare the names and see if any of them match the first report. If this guy did it once he will probably do it again and a crime report on the incident is a good way to possibly catch the guy in the future. The case shouldn't be that hard to solve. It's not like you have ten thousand possible suspects. You have 25 or 30 suspects and you have the name, address and date of birth of everyone of them.
    I'll lay you odds the victim would still be waiting for a cop to show up.
    Probably too busy trying to nab speeders at 0700 on Sun morning in front of the Poway WalMart.
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    stairman

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    Has it really come to having to have lockable drawers in the state room for each person..
     
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    abdiver7777

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    I'm pretty confident that a Captain's legal authority limits him to denying boarding and they can require someone to disembark but I seriously doubt they have legal authority to detain anyone at the dock......
     
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    I am really puzzled by one thing.......how did the perp know there was a substantial amount of cash???? I certainly don't go around flashing a wad of money, quite the opposite. Definitions are different to different people, what exactly was the substantial amount of cash?

    I still don't believe it was a long range boat, it was a weekend trip. Probably no staterooms, just bunk rooms.
     
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    Some things about this original post just don't add up for me.
    1. "my friend went on his first ever long range trip over the weekend"
    If it was a "weekend", it wasn't a long range trip. Anyone savvy enough to "show somebody the ropes" on a long range trip is probably savvy enough to know that.
    2. "he ended up not catching anything" A long range trip where he didn't catch anything ??
    Maybe what he means is, a 1.5, 2, or 3 day trip. OK, that's possible. I may be able to buy that. But it's pretty hard to not catch at least some fish for the freezer on a long range trip. You'd practically have to hide in the lazarette to not at least catch something.
    3. "stolen all his cash which was quite a substantial amount" Who carries a "substantial" amount of cash on a 2 day trip ?
    If it was a substantial amount, at least a big chunk of it should have been Traveler's Checks.
    4. "He told the captain, but the captain said there was really nothing that could be done" That is not a normal response from a west coast long range captain. Anybody with a federally issued USCG license to carry passengers knows there are things that can be done, including, but not limited to, a thorough search of the vessel by the crew and passengers, notification there is a passenger who is missing a wallet, delaying arrival at the dock, notification of the local police to meet the boat at the dock, etc. etc.

    If I am wrong, I'm sorry. But I ain't buyin' it. Lots of good tips have been posted, regardless, I like the idea of the locking suitcase. Back in the day, at a minimum, I always kept my soft bag locked with a cheap lock.

    I was a pinhead on the New Seaforth one morning in 1971. The Seaforth office notified all the half day boats a guy had a wallet stolen at the ticket counter. Capt. Jay Sterling saw credit cards fluttering out from under the starboard bow, noted the guy who exited the head, and the SDPD was waiting for him at the dock with handcuffs LOL:lux:
     
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    Some things about this original post just don't add up for me.
    1. "my friend went on his first ever long range trip over the weekend"
    If it was a "weekend", it wasn't a long range trip. Anyone savvy enough to "show somebody the ropes" on a long range trip is probably savvy enough to know that.
    2. "he ended up not catching anything" A long range trip where he didn't catch anything ??
    Maybe what he means is, a 1.5, 2, or 3 day trip. OK, that's possible. I may be able to buy that. But it's pretty hard to not catch at least some fish for the freezer on a long range trip. You'd practically have to hide in the lazarette to not at least catch something.
    3. "stolen all his cash which was quite a substantial amount" Who carries a "substantial" amount of cash on a 2 day trip ?
    If it was a substantial amount, at least a big chunk of it should have been Traveler's Checks.
    4. "He told the captain, but the captain said there was really nothing that could be done" That is not a normal response from a west coast long range captain. Anybody with a federally issued USCG license to carry passengers knows there are things that can be done, including, but not limited to, a thorough search of the vessel by the crew and passengers, notification there is a passenger who is missing a wallet, delaying arrival at the dock, notification of the local police to meet the boat at the dock, etc. etc.

    If I am wrong, I'm sorry. But I ain't buyin' it. Lots of good tips have been posted, regardless, I like the idea of the locking suitcase. Back in the day, at a minimum, I always kept my soft bag locked with a cheap lock.

    I was a pinhead on the New Seaforth one morning in 1971. The Seaforth office notified all the half day boats a guy had a wallet stolen at the ticket counter. Capt. Jay Sterling saw credit cards fluttering out from under the starboard bow, noted the guy who exited the head, and the SDPD was waiting for him at the dock with handcuffs LOL:lux:
    X2 that was 71 might arrest the skip now days and let the bad guy go
     
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    sdfishkiller

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    If the Government (Coast Guard, Police) becomes involved, you have the 4th amendment to deal with. We are talking warrants, probable cause, reasonable suspicion.

    Passengers could consent, but if 5 say "no," then there would not be enough reason to search them all. Guessing is not good enough. It would unreasonable and the evidence excluded from prosecution.

    There is a general exception to the warrant requirement for "Border" searches. Maybe the Coast Guard could have met them at the US/Mexico "line" and done a full on search?

    The Captain (non-government, 4th amendment does not apply) could have asked for consent to search his passengers and those that refused...perphaps he could have asserted the "shopkeeper's privilege" to false arrest/false imprisonment, battery. The privilege might allow the Captain to search for "stolen property" from his vessel.

    But then all 100 dollar bills look the same.

    The world is full of losers
     
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    Thank you all for your responses, I really do appreciate the input.

    Sorry for the late reply, let me just clear up a few things. I'm going to choose to quote slicko, simply because he addresses multiple things that I feel many people are asking about:

    Some things about this original post just don't add up for me.
    1. "my friend went on his first ever long range trip over the weekend"
    If it was a "weekend", it wasn't a long range trip. Anyone savvy enough to "show somebody the ropes" on a long range trip is probably savvy enough to know that.
    2. "he ended up not catching anything" A long range trip where he didn't catch anything ??
    Maybe what he means is, a 1.5, 2, or 3 day trip. OK, that's possible. I may be able to buy that. But it's pretty hard to not catch at least some fish for the freezer on a long range trip. You'd practically have to hide in the lazarette to not at least catch something.
    3. "stolen all his cash which was quite a substantial amount" Who carries a "substantial" amount of cash on a 2 day trip ?
    If it was a substantial amount, at least a big chunk of it should have been Traveler's Checks.
    4. "He told the captain, but the captain said there was really nothing that could be done" That is not a normal response from a west coast long range captain. Anybody with a federally issued USCG license to carry passengers knows there are things that can be done, including, but not limited to, a thorough search of the vessel by the crew and passengers, notification there is a passenger who is missing a wallet, delaying arrival at the dock, notification of the local police to meet the boat at the dock, etc. etc.

    If I am wrong, I'm sorry. But I ain't buyin' it. Lots of good tips have been posted, regardless, I like the idea of the locking suitcase. Back in the day, at a minimum, I always kept my soft bag locked with a cheap lock.

    1) It was a 2 day trip, so I do apologize for the guys thinking it was a 14 day trip. I should have said multi-day trip in the original post.
    2) As I mentioned, it was his first time fishing a multi day trip. He skunked. The boat did fairly well with yellowfin, bluefin, and yellowtail... saavy anglers should know what boat he was on just by that information...
    3) He just sold something before he went on his trip, so he was carrying a huge amount of cash. It wasn't planned that way... and I think it's pretty ridiculous that anyone thinks that someone carrying large sums of money deserves to have it stolen?!
    4) I agree it was a strange response from a captain, which is why I posted this thread.

    My friend has already chalked this up to a learning experience and took the lost money as a lesson on how to never trust people. Thanks once again for everyone for their input so I know how to better protect myself on future trips.
     
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    2) As I mentioned, it was his first time fishing a multi day trip. He skunked. The boat did fairly well with yellowfin, bluefin, and yellowtail... saavy anglers should know what boat he was on just by that information....
    Nuff said...crossing that boat off my list. Capt. should of handled the situation better.
     
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    Sucks! But I doubt this happened on a long range boat...Without stating which boat/lenght trip, this most likely happened on a cattle boat less that 3 day trip. Never heard of theft on a long range trip. Might be because of the staterooms, but more likely because people who ride true long range are trustworthy folks.
    X2 This must have been a short range trip1-3 this shit dont happen on LR trips 2 different types of people just saying
    Y'all must be of some some kind of elitist!!! Ya really think that shit has NEVER hapened in the history of the So. Cal. fleet? LR/SR..... Don't matter..... Take care of yer shit and it won't happen. Personally had close to a grand "disapear" on a 8-day..... AND 2 REELS!!!!
    Nope... never goin' on that boat/skipper/landing/crew EVER again!!! Now I keep my cash close. On my person. Plastic works for EVERYTHING..... But for TIP, and gambling, ya gotta have cash. Live and learn.
     
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    If it was a substantial amount of money then it was probably enough to qualify as grand theft which is a felony. Your friend should make a crime report with the local PD that handles the landing. The detective handling the case can get a copy of the manifest which will have the name, address and birth date of everyone on the trip. If he is a good detective he will run record checks on all the names and see if any of the people are on probation, parole or have criminal records for theft or drugs. He can also do some interviews and maybe even a voluntary polygraph if someone looks good for the crime. Even if the detective does not do any followup he will still have a list of all the possible suspects and if he gets a similar case in the future he can compare the names and see if any of them match the first report. If this guy did it once he will probably do it again and a crime report on the incident is a good way to possibly catch the guy in the future. The case shouldn't be that hard to solve. It's not like you have ten thousand possible suspects. You have 25 or 30 suspects and you have the name, address and date of birth of everyone of them.


    The SDPD or the CG really get involved? Or that involved.

    I doubt it, could be wrong.

    I was robbed, 3 of us actually at gunpoint, my friend had his night's tips plus some (bartender) $600 or so, plus a couple hundred from the rest of us (not including cc they rang up afterward). The Phx PD robbery detective basically told us get in line. I made several follow up calls to the detective, eventually he said 'look, even though I have them on camera several different places, I don't know who they are, they aren't in the system, but someday the will be, sorry I've got other stuff to do, we'll call when we catch them.'

    To this day, 7+ years ago, I've never received a follow up call...
     
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    totally agree that no boat name is necessary. could happen on any boat. Cash is cash and no way to identify whose stack 20 dollar bills it is. Can't strip search every passenger and hold up the off loading.

    it's not the boat it's the f'ng thief that's the problem
     
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    If it was a substantial amount I would have demanded the captain contact the police dept to be there at the landing when we got back it or he could have called them himself as soon as he had cell reception and asked what was his best cource of action. Maybe call the landing and explain it to the landing owner or manager...If they went through his wallet there are probably fingerprints on the credit cards. Match those with a list of names on the manifest. Not sure if a captain can keep pasangers from disembarking but it doesnt mean he cant take his time getting back to port.

    why not say the name of the boat or captain wouldnt you want to know of an operation that doesnt put their pasengers interests first...JMHO
     
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    totally agree that no boat name is necessary. could happen on any boat. Cash is cash and no way to identify whose stack 20 dollar bills it is. Can't strip search every passenger and hold up the off loading.

    it's not the boat it's the f'ng thief that's the problem

    This response is way wrong! The thief was the first problem, and the Captain not taking charge and addressing the situation was the second problem, and maybe worse than the first.

    Again, that is IF it went down as said.

    The unknown fisherman:p:
     
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    Just my 0.2 cents. No need to call out the boat. Cash and cards need to stay on you, sorry that is just the world we live in. Doesn't make it any better, but it's the truth. Really what is the Captain of any ship going to do about cash ?? However items stolen i.e. (rods, reels etc.. ) I've witnessed a Captain not let anyone disembark from the boat until the item ( NICE RR3 JACKET) mysteriously was found down in the corner of a bow bunk. My friend was pissed and was not letting it go (God rest his soul) but the Cpt. did what was right. Unfortunately this will sound stupid(money is not tangible to recover) gear is and like 99% of the anglers here should be marked.
    I've met some of the best people in the world on these trips, we've all run across some of the lowest. KARMA IS A BITCH !
    With that said there are boats I wouldn't fish if they were handing out limits of tuna per boarding.

    Sorry about your friends loss. SO FAR, GOOD FOR YOU IN NOT BLOWING THE NAME OF THE BOAT UP "YET".

    Tight lines, sharp hooks, and flexible fillet blades !

    I disagree on how the captain handled the situation. Yes, this is unfortunately the world we live in, but we don't have to tuck our tail between our legs and feel sucker-punched for being the better citizen. The captain should have calmly called a galley meeting to disclose what had happened, and ask kindly for the money to be returned unannounced. You never know. Chances are the scumbag would not step forward and return it unknowingly, but most humans might squirm and sweat in their seat when 20 other guys are looking around the cabin in dead silence. Customers have a right to know if someone was robbed in the store their shopping in, or the hotel their staying in, so why not the boat?

    Sorry to hear the news about your friends first trip. Hopefully karma will come back to him, and bite the fuck who ripped him off.

    That's my two cents...
     
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    Thank you all for your responses, I really do appreciate the input.

    Sorry for the late reply, let me just clear up a few things. I'm going to choose to quote slicko, simply because he addresses multiple things that I feel many people are asking about:



    1) It was a 2 day trip, so I do apologize for the guys thinking it was a 14 day trip. I should have said multi-day trip in the original post.
    2) As I mentioned, it was his first time fishing a multi day trip. He skunked. The boat did fairly well with yellowfin, bluefin, and yellowtail... saavy anglers should know what boat he was on just by that information...
    3) He just sold something before he went on his trip, so he was carrying a huge amount of cash. It wasn't planned that way... and I think it's pretty ridiculous that anyone thinks that someone carrying large sums of money deserves to have it stolen?!
    4) I agree it was a strange response from a captain, which is why I posted this thread.

    My friend has already chalked this up to a learning experience and took the lost money as a lesson on how to never trust people. Thanks once again for everyone for their input so I know how to better protect myself on future trips.


    Now I know the boat. I know every Captain on that boat, and the way they handle Business on and off the water. NO WAY the reply was " NOTHING I CAN REALLY DO ABOUT IT" No way!! Ex Rangers onboard and they don't handle there shit anywhere close to that way. And with that said, if there was even a hint it was a deck hand, the authorities would have been waiting at the docks to take him away
     
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    Steve K

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    So, as a savvy angler, I called and left a voice mail for the captain of "the boat" and also spoke with one of guys at "the landing" to give them a heads up about this thread. Perhaps "they" will formulate a reply here.

    Unfortunate as it was, I think we all agree that keeping our cash safe is the best way to keep honest people honest. Clearly, with our 20/20 hindsight, we all can tell the OP's friend what he should/should not have done.
     
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    HBTRANSPLANT

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    I disagree on how the captain handled the situation. Yes, this is unfortunately the world we live in, but we don't have to tuck our tail between our legs and feel sucker-punched for being the better citizen. The captain should have calmly called a galley meeting to disclose what had happened, and ask kindly for the money to be returned unannounced. You never know. Chances are the scumbag would not step forward and return it unknowingly, but most humans might squirm and sweat in their seat when 20 other guys are looking around the cabin in dead silence. Customers have a right to know if someone was robbed in the store their shopping in, or the hotel their staying in, so why not the boat?

    Sorry to hear the news about your friends first trip. Hopefully karma will come back to him, and bite the fuck who ripped him off.

    That's my two cents...


    Either I didn't explain myself well in words, or you mistook what I'm saying.
    Hell yes we always stand up for ourselves, and others for that matter. My only point about the cash is, cash (its going to be hard to decide who had what). Although I find it hard to believe that any Captain in these fleets (well there may be a couple that come to mind), that are that lazy and unenthused about there present and future clients, to just say "nothing I can do".
    And now that I know what boat he's chirping about, there is no way this went down like this, no way.
    And for the record, I AM NOW 99 % SURE, THIS IS THE SAME BOAT THAT WOULDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE CHANEL BEFORE A JACKET WAS FOUND. Also for the record it as done by everyone meeting on the back deck of the boat with everyone present.
     
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    Thank you all for your responses, I really do appreciate the input.




    1) It was a 2 day trip, so I do apologize for the guys thinking it was a 14 day trip. I should have said multi-day trip in the original post.
    2) As I mentioned, it was his first time fishing a multi day trip. He skunked. The boat did fairly well with yellowfin, bluefin, and yellowtail... saavy anglers should know what boat he was on just by that information...

    .


    Well that kind of narrows it down as to what boat it was. Interesting, I had a personal item liberated from me on the same boat 2 years ago. Had a nice Jacket "taken" out of my bunk on the way home of 1.5 day trip. Was freezing my ass off when the sun went down. I know it was just a jacket, albeit an expensive one. Told the Captain. He didn't give 2 shits.
     
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