THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY

Bill W

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I know some people are using the 3 turn uni to present a lighter, more stealthy bait. Couldn't say that it is any stronger than a welded ring, this can't be a common occurrence can it?
I am thinking a defective weld. But most hooks, like the one I pictured are not welded. The hook eye is not the weak link...
 

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Wont be buying Mustad 4x 6/0 anytime soon they bend like butter. They need to remove the word demon at the very least. I will post a photo when I return, the wifi on this Pelagic trip wont let me transmit the photo. Straightened out like a pencil on a 400lb shark when you exceed 35lbs at strike and pull like hell. Paper clip hooks that don't hold up I hope Mustad is listening. Maybe a little egg on their face when they see what I did to one of their ringed demons.
 
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Not to defend Owner, but wow. I wonder if it was just a defective one. I guess all hooks can fail. I have seen some go straight. I'd send that to Owner and explain to them what happened. They will probably say noting but they should know since we do use a lot of there hooks or take it to the boot at the Fred Hall Show, if you go. Sorry you lost a nice fish. There is always another out there.
 

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the brazing on the ring failed?
Actually, the ring looks like it failed just to the right of the braze joint. Probable cause, to much heat in the weld leaving the metal brittle on both sides of the union. Good chance the remaining hooks of that pack are compromised as well.
 
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Wont be buying Mustad 4x 6/0 anytime soon they bend like butter. They need to remove the word demon at the very least. I will post a photo when I return, the wifi on this Pelagic trip wont let me transmit the photo. Straightened out like a pencil on a 400lb shark when you exceed 35lbs at strike and pull like hell. Paper clip hooks that don't hold up I hope Mustad is listening. Maybe a little egg on their face when they see what I did to one of their ringed demons.
Mustads are made in China these days....could be the problem.
 

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mmmm. I only use Owner ringed hooks... never had that happen to me.. Dam girl you just pull to dam hard.... relax a bit... sorry to hear that. Now I will always have that in the back of my head... will I land the next giant on a Owner ringed hook? Not a good thing for Owner. I would e-mail them that picture or send it in.
 
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There is no doubt that this is simply a bad braize..

I've fished hundreds of ringed super mutus, I've never had a ring fail... I'm sure Donna pulls 1/4 as hard as some of the guys I fish with.. and they have not seen this either..

Most of the hook failures of Super Mutus are when guys re-use them after catching one or more fish.. The Crews feel that when the remove the hooks with their Dikes, they may damage the hooks.. The crew of the RP does not want guys re-using a hooks for that reason.. (A long range crewman should know what he is saying.. )..

Tight lines,

Jeff
 

Bill W

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No issues with the larger size mustads for me, but I start at 10/0 size...
 

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The crew of the RP does not want guys re-using a hooks for that reason.. (A long range crewman should know what he is saying.. )..

Tight lines,

Jeff
Never heard that one Jeff... Mind if I file it with my important notebook? I have bananas in my notebook too....:D
 

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Bad, straightened and broken hook threads are my second favorite type threads. Not as much fun as "what footwear to buy" but close.

So here is a Jobu hook that blew up on a Bigeye tuna.

Like the poster above me stated they all fail!

And to the poster on the Excel right now who straightened out a "Demon" been there done that as well.

If you aint broke a hook you just aint fishing hard enuf!
 

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we have talked about this before,all hooks will fail. you have to pull o them and try to bend them before you fish them. use your gloves and pliers to really pull on them.
 

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The hook was used to troll a Ballyhoo. The wire is used to secure the bait to the hook so that when its trolled, the bait will not tear or spin.
 

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Jeez Donna!

I've pulled pretty hard in some big fish and never had an Owner fail on me. I've pulled too many hooks, of various brands. But I haven't broken them...
 

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Donna, that sucks! If your rigging has been successful for years, no reason to change due to one hook failure. Throw away the remaining hooks from that batch and move forward.

FWIW, I prefer ringed hooks for fly lining sardines. Better bait presentation and stronger connection due to uniformity of the ring compared to a hook ring. Ringedhooks.com does a great job putting appropriate diameter wire and high-quality brazing for large fish applications. I've never had one of their rings open...knock on wood!

If it makes you feel any better, I broke a Mustad 39943bln 7/0 hook on a big fish in June. It just snapped in the middle of the circle... However, I will continue to use them unless it becomes a common occurrence.

You will land it next time!


- Jeff Burroughs
 

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Ringed? Or not?
Good question.

This is the first time I've heard of the braze failing, but clearly it does happen. And there is more for the sardine to drag around.

I usually use ringed hooks, esp when big fish are around. The reason is that a lot stress and turning takes place where the leader meets the hook. A metal ring can take that stress better than mono/floro. Yes, the mono/floro is still subject to stress at the point where it is tied to the ring, but ring/hook eye intersection absorbs some of it. I've also left a small loop in a uni knot as shown to allow the hook to swing while being pulled by the bait, and it works for that purpose, but not for relieving stress at the leader/hook eye intersection. A personal choice IMHO.

BTW, after looking at the picture, the silver lining is that you can take a lot of confidence in your knot tying ability!
 
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