the accurate tern!

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  1. alantani

    alantani I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    finally got a reel to pull apart. i thought it was one drag washer on bottom and two drag washers on top. it actually has two drag washers underneath and two on top of the main gear. one drag washer is "slotted" so that it behaves as if it was a plain carbon fiber washer, a "slotted" metal washer and a second carbon fiber washer. yup, it's functionally a 6-drag system. the old red 4/0 penn senator is also a 6-drag system, with one drag washer under the main gear and five inside. surface area-wise, however, i'd just eyeball these washers and guess that the total functional drag surface area is probably double what the red 4/0 penn senator has. then take into account that the spool height of the tern is perhaps half the height of the senator, so the drag gets doubled again.

    yup, this reel might have four times the power to weight ratio of the old penn 113h!

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    so that's the upside. i do see some very small gear teeth, a very thin walled spool and a single anti-reverse roller bearing with no dog back up.

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    whether these will prove to be a problem in the future, only time will tell. if accurate has done it's homework, then it won't be. and, yup, on the inside it looks like a newell!
     
  2. bluedog38

    bluedog38 Wax on wax off

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    Thanks Alan san, I have fished the tern 400 and liked it. May have to add one to the arsenal
     
  3. makairaa

    makairaa I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Good to hear it looks good overall. Not surprised by the no dog backup. My small accurate boss has lost the antireverse a couple of times.
     
  4. Derby

    Derby My "Member" is Well Known.

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    I've been waiting for this.

    Thanks Alan!
     
  5. Jig Strike

    Jig Strike . . . new and improved

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    I've been away a few years.
    One thing I really missed was Alan.
     
  6. alantani

    alantani I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    i really don't think you're going to be disappointed. as is typical with the reels they make, everything is machined down to the bare mimimum, made as light as possible. my big concern is relying on the single anti-reverse roller bearings. it basically works until it doesn't. who can say if that will ever be an issue. i will let you know what the line capacity is as soon as i get it spooled up.
     
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  7. alantani

    alantani I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    ok, so i spooled this reel up with 400 yards of 65 pound jerry brown solid braid and a 25 yard topshot of 60 mono as requested by the owner. i was able to set the drag to 18 pounds (30%) and that was as far as the star would go. that was it for the drag - 18 pounds. i was expecting more.

    your results may vary...........
     
  8. hucklongfin

    hucklongfin Deep release specialist

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    That’s a 500 size? It’s rated for 33# of drag! Even the little 300 is rated for 31#. Not being able to achieve the rated drag is a common theme with the Tern reels.
     
  9. Amadeus

    Amadeus Well-Known "Member"

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    Perhaps the best expectation is a less steep ramp up to the actual target drag setting (well under 33lbs). It doesn't seem prudent that anyone will apply the 1/3 rule and use a TX-500 as a 100lb (even or an 80lb) reel.

    Alan's 400/65 with a 60lb topshot at 20lb drag (18lb from reel + 2lb from rod/guide under load) seems to be a reasonable, real world, max configuration for a TX-500...
     
  10. Cubeye

    Cubeye I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    How would you accomplish this on a star drag reel?

    I think the discussion relates to actual maximum drag settings versus advertised maximum drag. In this case, it doesn't really matter what size line is on the reel. The reel was tested to see how much actual drag the reel will put out without using excessive torque on the star. By excessive torque, I mean cranking down on the star as hard as you can, hopefully without the aid of a "cheater bar".
     
  11. lowprofile

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    They measure the drag with one layer of line on the spool, not a full spool. Just like how winches are advertised.
     
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    The increase drag surface area means more friction is in effect with fewer turns of the star. Observed on all my star drags with the 3-stack factory drag washers, the drag curve progresses at lower angles until the star gets closer to the locked down position, and the drag curve then increases exponentially with fewer turns. It's usually at this point I get to my target before needing lock down with "cheater bar."

    When converted to 5-stack (i.e., more drag surface area engaged), I get to my target drag setting before getting to the exponential ramp up point.

    When and how the drag is measured affects what is max drag. "lowprofile" is probably on the right track if drag was not measured with a full spool. The reduced radius (spool radius + line level) shorten the "arm" length, so it took more force to release the drag. Would expect the 33lbs or more if the pull was done with only one layer of line covering the spool. It seems preferable in most situations to start at one's desired drag level from top of spool rather than bottom.
     
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  13. yessokk

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    OOOOP's that would do it for sure. As your spool diameter decreases the drag increases in reverse proportion . e.g. if your spool diameter gets cut in half your drag doubles. That is why a lot of attention is required when cranking your drag down after
    300 yds of line has been ripped from your reel.

    But you never and I mean never read a drag specification that mentions that. Although it could well be the case. Returned an ABU 6500 to the factory noting that the drag output was not even near the advertised amount. But when stripping the line off the reel to send it in a drag measurement was taken and what do you know it met the claimed amount with ease. But what the heck, who fishes width
    5 yds of line on their reel. Sure would like to see (Busted) Accurate reply to the post above.
    Walt
     
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  14. Amadeus

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    Uh Walt, it's ACCURATE not AVET...pun fully intended ;)
     
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    What do these high drag settings do to the bearings?
     
  16. Derby

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    Is there any way to modify for a dog?
     
  17. yessokk

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    Busted...... LOL !
     
  18. reeljunky

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    Depends on which bearings you’re referring to.
     
  19. One_Leg

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    All of em. Thrust bearings, spool bearings and all the rest.
     
  20. maxpowers

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    No thrust bearings on star drag. Since the drag force is applied via the star, it s not the same as a lever drag where the spool is pushed or pulled against the drag plate. The amount of push or pull is controlled by the drag lever which in place is adjusted by the drag cam knob. Typically it is the pinion bearing ( the bearing the sits between the drag cam and the drag plate) that take the brunt of both axial and radial forces. Hence the typical bearing failure occur there more than most places on a lever drag.
     
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