Tackle questions for 11 day trip.

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Pretty sure I'm gonna book the Thanksgiving trip on the Excel. Never been on a long range trip. Been fishing for 65 years, Florida. Have owned my own boats for almost as long. From Florida, I Fish frequently out of Port Canaveral. Have fished Bahamas, Costa Rica, Mexico, Panama and Indonesia. Have caught quite a few big fish (mahi, cubera, trevally, wahoo, cobia, pacific sails, 60-80 Lb yellowfin, etc.), but not 200+# tuna.

For anything less than big tuna, I have my own rods/reels I'll be bringing: Penns: Fathom 30LD2 (2) (spooled with 40LB mono); Fathom 40NLD2 (2) (will buy new & spool with 60LB braid and 100' mono 50 topshot); 850SS Spinners (2) (will spool with 30LB braid with 150' mono topshot) - so, 6 outfits, that will cover me for "making bait" up to 100+LB fish. But, nothing for 150+LB tuna. Biggest tuna I've ever taken was a 108# dogtooth in Indonesia - So, I know I would be outclassed by any big ones on the rods/reels I've got,

Questions:
1. Should I rent a big outfit? How many days might the boat fish for "big" fish?
2. If I get "spooled" or need new line, can I get respooled by the boat or do I need to bring extra line?
3. I believe I can buy all the terminal tackle I will need on the boat. But what about lures for wahoo, yellowtail, etc.? If I won't be able to buy them on the boat, what and how many do I need to order and bring?

I'll be driving over from Florida, so can bring what I need. (Will be making numerous stops on the way over).

Any suggestions will be appreciated. Jim
 

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The 30LD2 should have 60 or 65 braid on it, filled nearly to the top. The 40LD2 should have 80 braid on it, again filled nearly to the top. If using mono topshot, only needs to be 50 - 75 feet. (exception would be if you used the reel for surface iron; then mono topshot can be 1.5 x casting distance)
 
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Yes, they can respool your reels if you if you need it. You can use the boats rigs for trolling and kite. Let Jason know it’s your first long trip and that you‘ll need a 100# rig.
 
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Fathom 40 2 speed will handle tuna up to at least 150 lb. they were used extensively at Guadalupe fishing 80 lb braid and 80 lb mono. I have a few of them and rum 50 to 80 lb on them.

The boat should have a large reel for 100 to 130 lb if you ask them ahead of time.
i use a Penn 20 VISX with 100 lb braid and mono.

Do not do the cow or but trips that one uses 130 lb rigs. usually the LR boats have their own kite rigs you use taht are the heavy line
 
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    The boat will have limited tackle to buy, Their not really a tackle store, They have line, hooks, sinkers, that's pretty much it. You can get all the tackle you need at either of the three landings the day you get their, They are a little pricey, Especially Fishermans Landing. You can go across the street to Anglers Choice, They will have everything you could think of at a fraction of the landings prices. Just check your schedule and see if your going to be their during their operating hours, Give them a call for their hours (619) 223-2324. Also ask them for the colors, sizes of jigs/flat falls etc, That has been working lately and getting bit good. This way you don't go buy a ton of tackle months before you leave, to come find out it's wrong or the size, color, etc. Make sure you have plenty of fluoro carbon before going on the boat, It's a little spendy on the boat. Good Luck!
     
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    Jim, be careful driving across county with all that gear a lot of knuckleheads along the way. I would avoid leaving gear unattended in the car for even a hot second. Have fun !
     
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    Rent the big gear. Excel has Okuma 2 speed reels that are great for the big tuna. You picked a great boat with a great crew. https://wahoobombs.com/ Go to this web sight to order some wahoo bombs.. I like the green... Also pick up some Owner super mutu ringed hooks in size 4/0. 6-8 ounce singers and your good to go. Call Jason in the excel office and talk with your charter master... a great guy. Enjoy.
     
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    As noted get a loaner big set up or two. If you are here a day early, go check out Squidco, and Angler's choice, M&M is about two blocks from the landing. The three landings (Fisherman's, Point Loma and H&M) are very close to each other and have a lot of different tackle. Fisherman's has the largest selection of the three.

    As Soda mentioned: Captain Jimmy Bombs are a hot ticket item. As to color, it all depends on the what they are biting, but the Green is always good. I like the Purple and orange ones as well. Check the web site. Hooks, remember not all 4/0 or 5/0 are the same size with all brands. I like ringed Owner Super Mutu in 4/0, 5/0 and 6/0. I also have a few 9/0 and 12/0. The mustad 7691 in 9/0 to 11/0 is good for big bait.

    The boat should be able to re-spool your reels. But not a bad idea to check with them as to what they usually have. You can always get some top shot from Basil, http://www.bhptackle.com/index.php. 100, 130 fluro carbon. He's been out here to fish and he'll know what is useful.

    Since it's an 11 day trip, you'll most like fish Guadalupe, the Ridge and possibly the lower banks. Mostly Yellowfin, wahoo and yellowtail.

    Keep asking questions. Have fun.
     

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    I was on this trip last year and all the above are true. As Guadalupe fishing was not allowed due to the port of Ensenada being closed, we headed way south.

    Ended up fishing Alijos and Alijos Bank, then off to what i think was Morgan Bank for 3 days of big YFT fishing. Kite fish predominantly but at least 25 or so were hooked on the fly line. Getting the fly line fish in was another story.

    After Morgan fizzled out we fished for a few days on the ridge followed up by some YT time somewhere south of Geronimo island.

    If Guadalupe is open, I imagine it will be ridge then the rocks followed by 3-4 days at the 'Lupe
     
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    Based on the dates of that trip, Wahoo might be questionable as far as availability. I could be wrong, but I think it may be all over by then. Concentrating on larger Yellowfin is what I would be hoping for. Suggest you call the Excel office to talk tackle and strategy. I see they have some very affordable rental gear, like Mak 30 and 50 reels. Give ‘em a call. They love talking to anglers.
     
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    Hey all . Can someone remeber the name and contact info of the guy who runs the "send me your gear from out of state" and I get it to you at the boat and return it.

    Recent post here was danger of driving with all the gear cross country and what if it is stolen. I am lucky to live 15 minutes from the landing.

    I have heard nothing but great reports about the guy who does this business here for long range fisherman coming from long distances.

    Please post this info for JTE
     
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    Hey all . Can someone remeber the name and contact info of the guy who runs the "send me your gear from out of state" and I get it to you at the boat and return it.

    Recent post here was danger of driving with all the gear cross country and what if it is stolen. I am lucky to live 15 minutes from the landing.

    I have heard nothing but great reports about the guy who does this business here for long range fisherman coming from long distances.

    Please post this info for JTE

    Mike Morris
    Email: [email protected]
    Phone: (760) 805-0824

    Great customer service​

     
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    JTE

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    Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I'm driving cross country in a brand new Honda Odyssey. I'll be stopping each night and staying with either friends, relatives or sleeping in the van. If staying with somebody, I'll bring the tackle inside.

    I'll rent a heavy outfit. I'll be in San Diego a few days before the boat leaves, so plenty of time to shop for terminal tackle, lures, etc..

    Continue the input, you guys are really getting me pumped.

    How about getting my frozen fish back to Florida after the trip? (best prices, etc)

    Thanks again.
     
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    Also, need suggestions on braid line. I use all mono over here in Florida (no need for the line capacity with the fishing I do), so not familiar with latest braids. What are "best" brands and where to buy? Also, how about spooling on my reels?

    Soda, do you think 6 wahoo bombs will be enough, or should I get more?

    Also, types of sinkers and typical rigs for using them? (we use sliding type here on "fishfinder" or "knocker" rigs, and bank type on multi hook dropper rigs for bottom fishing).

    Thanks
     
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    Since you are driving and you will be in San Diego early just plan to stop at SquidCo. They have the largest selection of tackle and the best prices you will find. Try not to buy anything at the landings if possible. Their prices are very high.
    If you go on the various websites for the long range boats each one will have a tackle recommendation page. Check out the Excel, Independence, Shogun etc. and you will get a good idea of what you need. Don't spend money on mauraders or other wahoo trolling jigs, just use the boat gear. In Nov. you probably won't see large numbers of wahoo. Six wahoo bombs should be more than enough. If they are biting so good that you lose that many bombs just throw out a bait on a wire leader.
    I see guys bring 200lbs. of tackle but you also see some very experienced guys bring a pretty small amount and they catch a ton of fish. All you really need are a few packs of hooks, some yellowtail jigs, a couple of big flatfalls for BFT, a few wahoo bombs, fluro and some heavy torpedo sinkers. If you are missing something the crew will take care of you.
     
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    Also, need suggestions on braid line. I use all mono over here in Florida (no need for the line capacity with the fishing I do), so not familiar with latest braids. What are "best" brands and where to buy? Also, how about spooling on my reels?

    Soda, do you think 6 wahoo bombs will be enough, or should I get more?

    Also, types of sinkers and typical rigs for using them? (we use sliding type here on "fishfinder" or "knocker" rigs, and bank type on multi hook dropper rigs for bottom fishing).

    Thanks
    I would have 12 bombs and maybe a few raider jigs. I don't rig mine with wire I use 130 LB fluro. Way more bites. I sent you a PM.
     
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    It sure sound like you are becoming "addicted." Welcome to our club.

    1. besides bring your tackle inside on the trip over, consider adding a dark colored furniture blanket to over all the other stuff you leave in the van. Sometimes if you can't see some goodies, the thief's will skip you. No guarantee, so make sure you park in well lighted areas.

    2. Braid? now here you'll get a lot of different opinions, none are really wrong. There are solid and hollow core braid. Anywhere from 8 to 16 fibers. Many brands, so it would depend on what the tackle store carries.

    Here's my two cents. Braid is more difficult to cast and a "birds nest" is much harder to untangle. Additionally, it must remain tight on the spool. Since it is so small in diameter, with a loose spooling it can get stuck down with a fish pulling drag out. The advantage of braid is the small diameter allowing you to put more yardage of line on a reel, therefore, using a smaller reel.

    In the "old days" we use to use Dacron or other linen type line as a backing, so as not to have to put on a lot of mono. Since you are not use to casting braid, I suggest you just have the braid put on as a backing and have a long mono top-shot of 100 yards or so. I still do this on my 20-40 pound set ups. I generally use a "Bob Sands" knot to attach my mono to the braid. It hasn't been that long since we went from long top-shots to short ones.

    I suggest you also learn some good knot. There are several out there and they all work, just master one or two for each task.

    Bring some fluorocarbon (3-5 feet) to attach to you mono when bait fishing. A Seaguar or surgeons knot work fine here. Tie the hook to the fluorocarbon with which ever knot you like. You don't need fluorocarbon if you are using a wire leader.

    With the big loaner gear, it most likely will have a full spool of braid and a loop at the end for a wind-on leader. Casting big stuff is a bit harder. You can drop you bait in and let the current take it or ask a crew member to cast it out.

    PS: braid can cut off fingers if it wraps around a finger and get pulled on. So you must be very careful.

    3. Wahoo: Bomb or jigs work. Captain Jimmy is a very popular bomb and there is a new JRI bomb being used. Jigs: Raiders or Catchy Sea Strike (single hook) are good. You can wire them or many are now using heavy (100-200 pound) fluorocarbon. The biggest problem, I have with fluorocarbon in getting bite off on the drop, but it seems to get bit more often. 6-12 bomb and 6-12 jigs would be useful.

    4. Sinkers. You can use egg sinkers maybe to 2 oz. and then I suggest torpedo sinkers. Suggest you have a few 4 oz, 6 oz. 10 oz and 12 oz. It all depends on what you're fishing for. I generally attach my torpedoes with a rubber band. See this post on how to attach with a rubber band.


    5. Fluorocarbon: Suggest 30, 40, 50 and then 130 or 200. Someone should have other sizes if needed. Your go to will be mostly 40 pound.

    6. Sabiki's for bait catching. Pick up a few. There are several sizes. Suggest a Haybusa S-507 E or S-530 E or an equivent is another brand. The boat should have some and know which ones to use at the time.

    Have fun, but be careful you can over buy and have a lot of tackle to take home. Check the internet for terminal tackle, just buy quality. Cheep stuff, is just cheep stuff.

    Keep asking questions.

    Rich
     
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    Since you are driving and you will be in San Diego early just plan to stop at SquidCo. They have the largest selection of tackle and the best prices you will find. Try not to buy anything at the landings if possible. Their prices are very high.
    If you go on the various websites for the long range boats each one will have a tackle recommendation page. Check out the Excel, Independence, Shogun etc. and you will get a good idea of what you need. Don't spend money on mauraders or other wahoo trolling jigs, just use the boat gear. In Nov. you probably won't see large numbers of wahoo. Six wahoo bombs should be more than enough. If they are biting so good that you lose that many bombs just throw out a bait on a wire leader.
    I see guys bring 200lbs. of tackle but you also see some very experienced guys bring a pretty small amount and they catch a ton of fish. All you really need are a few packs of hooks, some yellowtail jigs, a couple of big flatfalls for BFT, a few wahoo bombs, fluro and some heavy torpedo sinkers. If you are missing something the crew will take care of you.
    If you are going to be in San Diego a couple of days early, I highly recommend going to see Joey at Squidco. The shop is kind of a hole in the wall, but he (they) have everything you may need and the prices are great. I have been dealing with Squidco for about 35 years or more, even when they were at one time in National City. Look them up on the internet, get the telephone number and call them before you leave to drive out. They are kind of hard to find, and the parking is mostly on the street around the corner, but be sure to let them know what your trip is, and ask for their recommendations. Also, as mentioned before, look at the various Long Range boat site, and see what they recommend. Most of the boat have an adequate amount of tackle on board, and the boat prices are good also. As stated before, ALWAYS keep your gear locked up in the car and if possible have it covered. It is a sign of the times we now live in.
    Welcome to the Long Range Fishing Addiction.
     
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    OK. Seems as though I was a bit "premature" on choosing this 11 day trip, as I had not done my "due diligence" to understand the implications of trips of different days duration during the different times of the year and the types and varieties of fish they target. Have been reading up a bit and still seems as though actual "on that boat, on that trip" type of info would pretty much be required to get me a little smarter to allow me to plan a good trip. Let's approach it this way:
    1. October thru June would be the period of the year I would be interested in going.
    2. I would like to fish for a variety of species, in particular: tuna (any/all), WAHOO!, yellowtail, bottom fish. Really not super interested in concentrating for days/week on catching a super giant yellowfin. Again, WAHOO! and med size (30 to 150LB) tuna = awesome.
    3. Want to be out on a really good boat at least 10 nights, 16 days would not be too long.

    I'm driving all the way from Florida, so want to be out on a boat fishing at least 10 days while I'm there - maybe several short trips, one long trip OK, ($s and time I can afford it (retired)), and I have a place to stay in Huntington Beach while I'm out there.

    Thanks to the input from you guys, I'm not concerned about being to get together the rods/reels, "bombs", jigs, etc. I will bring out for this fishing. I just need some real solid advice on specific trips and boat to focus on before i pick and book.

    Thanks for any input, Jim
     
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    Fall trips give you the biggest variety and won’t be targeting cows, ‘cuz they aren’t around yet. Big tuna would be BFT around here before heading down to the Alijos Rocks and the Ridge. I do the Phenix 10 day at the end of Sept/early Oct every year. I’ve done trips in early Nov too that were similar... I did catch a cow and a super on one of those early Nov trips below Mag Bay. I caught a cow BFT last year on the kite out to the west before heading south.
     
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    OK... here's my two cents. You want a variety and not necessarily Cow tuna.

    The Fall 8 to 10 day trips (maybe 11) are the ticket. Trips that are generally over 14 days are targeting cow Yellowfin and are most likely going to the Hurricane Bank (Shimada Seamount) around 1000 miles from San Diego. That's a four day boat ride each way.

    The long range fleet in the fall usually have to travel quite aways South to find the fish. Guadalupe island is about 250 miles south of San Diego so it takes a good day to get there, plus you have an added stop in Ensenada for Mexican immigration. You don't get off the boat, and you're not there too long but the stop adds several hours to the trip.

    Guadalupe is know for some nice Yellowfin tuna and a record Yellowtail in the 90 pound range has been taken. The big problem are the Great Whites. Usually September to early November. The sharks do put on quite a show and do enjoy eating your fish.

    Alijos Rock is about two days from San Diego and the upper part of the Ridge is about the same. Cabo San Lucus is three plus days of travel.

    So say on a 10 day trip, you only have around 6 days of fishing.

    All the long range fleet does a great job, so that's not a problem. So you just need to search for the best dates. Several of the boats will have open charters by different groups. You can aways find out who the Charter Master is and chat with them. They will give you an idea of what they are targeting. However, most are just going out to have a good time. Some of the fleet web sites have archives of there trip, however, these days less is published.

    The best odds for a variety of fish you want, plus wahoo would be Oct to Thanksgiving. After Thanksgiving most of the fleet are looking for Cow Tuna. Late November the bigger yellowfin start to move up to the lower banks and become the targeted species.

    I know the Red Rooster has a mid November trip 12/9 days that fishes down baja to Cabo and people can fly back that's the reason for 9 days. You probably end up with 7 days of fishing and can ride the boat back to San Diego, 12 days. I am not sure what the other boats are doing at that time.

    The other option is to do two 8-10 day trips back to back.

    As you are aware, any given year is different.

    Others can chime in here, just my thoughts.
     
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