swordfish teminal tackle suggestions

Chesapeakechuck

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It seems to me that most of the swordfish that are hooked locally are done so on a make-shift rod and reel that really wasn't set-up properly for baiting a swordy. More times than not this involves using a 30-40 pound bait stick with no leader material.

I think it will be difficult if not impossible to use a large trolling stick to bait swordies unless one is trolling the bait past the circling fish-----in other words, it's tough to cast an international 30 or 50 equipped with 80 pound mono.

With the recent onset of these high power-smaller sized bait reels, I think it will be feesable to set up a much lighter 40 pound bait stick using straight 100 pound spectra connected to a 6' length of 49 strand 180 pound cable. At the end of the cable I will be using a chain gang style pair of 9/0 premium hooks. There will be a ball bearing swivel connecting the spectra to the wire leader and all wire connections will be crimped. My rig will consist of an Avet JX fully loaded with spectra and an Ugly Stick 40 pound bait rod (Dan Hernandez would be proud).

Has anybody thought of using this sort of set-up? Swordfish vision at the surface is not that great---I am sure they are not going to be shy of the wire leader (Zane Gray used to use piano wire to hook these critters 100 years ago). And, it should be relatively easy to accurately lob out a small bonita or large mackeral using straight spectra as a main line---much like casting a heavy jig. I also think that using a longer, more flexible rod will reduce the possibility of ripping the hook out of the soft mouth tissue these fish have.

Any thoughts from someone who knows about hooking these fish would be appreciated.
 
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We have a topless 4/0 size 2speed Avet. Lots of specta, #60 mono to 12' of #250 mono to a nice big hook.

Rod is a Calstar 765ML. It is very castable.

There is a good video of a swordfish ripping a TLD30 off it's base on Youtube. Check it out!

YouTube - Giant Swordfish Attacks Boat
 
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Straight 130lb mono (or atleast your trolling outfit, what ever that may be) served into 200lb hollow spectra atleat a 6/0 hook and it would be nice to have a reel with low gear, the narrow 30's still can cast the heavier mono efficently . Casting anything less than 50lb mono is a pipe dream and a waste of time, I am not saying it can't be done but one dose'nt go elephant hunting with a bee-bee gun now do they.
 
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Chesapeakechuck

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Geez, Bryan, if that doesn't get the juices flowing I don't know what will. I guess it pays to have the flying gaff right at hand when you are baiting a fish.

I want to get one solo real freaking bad.....I think this may be the year.

Do you know what these guys baited the fish with? ie...dead/alive mackeral?

Thanks for putting that up.....That was freaking cool.
 
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Geez, Bryan, if that doesn't get the juices flowing I don't know what will. I guess it pays to have the flying gaff right at hand when you are baiting a fish.

I want to get one solo real freaking bad.....I think this may be the year.

Do you know what these guys baited the fish with? ie...dead/alive mackeral?

Thanks for putting that up.....That was freaking cool.

Sure thing! Yeah, that video is insane.

The Limitless got their big one a few years ago on a fresh dead Bonito. I have heard of them hooked on Sardine, and of course Mackeral. This year I have a 12" squid on board for every offshore trip. If you don't have someone on board that can cast really well, another option is to put baits in the water back behind the boat and drag your bait in front of the fish. Works with Marlin as well.

Also a good idea to have a Marlin rig ready to go too. We have a Baja Special, 700M with Spectra, #40 mono to a short #100 Floro leader.

Best of luck
 
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Calstar 700XH with a roller ring tip, hyplon aft grip with a gimbal.

Tiagra 30Wlrs, 130 lb spectra backing with a 50lb momoi diamond top shot. I tied an aussie braid to make a double for my 200lb flouro wind-on connected to a 8/0 Jobu.
 
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Cool video.

...and I thought Sherm was crazy for bringing his PV cow stick and flying gaff on Saturday.
 
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JMO,I dont like anything less than 80.We have caught 3 and should have had 2 others.I have friends that have caught LOTS of local R&R twofinners and sometimes the smaller fish can be a huge PITA!Im going to a 2 speed avet with 80 biggame braid,20 ft of double with 15ft 100lb leader to a piece of 250 for the bill area.REMEMBER,have a flyer,and a tail gaff and take the shot no matter how quick.EVERYONE we have hooked has given us a shot in under 15 min.One we got in 11 min and it could have been 5 if I would have just stuck it.Another deal is to have a line going from one stern cleat to the other with your flyer rope loop over it.That way you dont have to move the line from the cleat if the fish goes from one side to the other.NOTHING can take the place of one of those purple cows on the deck.Tom
 
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Bad news Chuck, just got outta a long meeting, we're gonna need a bunch of compounds next week, ASAP! Looks like you guys will be burnin' the midnight oil through the long weekend. NO FISHING FOR YOU!!:rofl:

Just kidding.

I've got a 30SW backed with 130# spectra with 60# P-Line topshot, and a 200# leader with 9/0 hook set-up on a 6' all roller Calstar for "just in case". You can borrow it, as long as I get half the fish. :cheers:

-Eric
 
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Chesapeakechuck

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Where do you think the best location is to gaff a green fish? Right in the gills or in the meat behind the gill plate?

Thanks for everyone's suggestions.

Chuck
 
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Accurate 665W - 2 speed - 130 spectra / 80lb P-line - 15ft double - 15ft 400lb leader - Seeker 6670 cut down - all guides oversized to the tip to clear the knots cleaner - 12/0 J-hook double crimped. Bryan had a very good suggestion for bait.

Always have an open ear if this guy starts to talk about hanging swords - he gets one or more every year - and tells very few people and avoids forums like the plague.
 
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Just wanted to pass along some information that was given to me by the late Gene Grimes that ran the Sport Yacht, Legend (not the party boat, Legend), some years ago. Gene knew I fished from small boats almost exclusively and frequently solo..Gene had probably a stronger record on Broadbill than almost any one in Southern California both as and angler and as a captain..he is memorialized in the IGFA hall of fame in Florida.

He cautioned me about the absolute danger of handling a broadbill near a small boat unless all the color is gone..I have never boated a broadbill in all the years of offshore marlin and tuna fishing so I only pass along his words..he said an apparently spent swordie that still has even the slightest hint of color can really become a danger next to a small boat and especially if gaffed..sure, some may not but he said the occasional one can destroy a small boat or really be dangerous to the angler and/or crew.

I used to love "macho" as much as any and have several solo marlin and bigeye from very small boats...that was then...I know that macho is the byword in many fishing encounters these days but if you are new to offshore or are new to bill fishing, and are lucky enough to have the line go tight on one of these, really take care and be careful..they can kill or maim you if you get careless..I have even had occasions that handling a local striper at boat side has turned really ugly..again, Gene was a real master so I'm glad I can just pass along his caution to me..Maybe I'll still get to get one hooked up solid..I may be old but adrenelin does magic things...I carry a "swordie" rig on my boat just for that one shot..I don't want to take a chance with light line and a jig stick..
 
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chuck sharpen the j hook razor sharp both sides let the broadbill swallow the bait you want to hook him in the stomach let him bleed.

Ditto - let em poop it out before you engage - you want that point to tear their inners and do as much damage as possible.

A lot of good info here is anyone cares about actually landing one.
 
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Chesapeakechuck

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Thanks again for the good information and advice. I am sure that if I hook one I'll be as reasonably careful as I can be.....I'm not too worried about my boat-----if it gets beat up a bit from a swordie then so be it. It would make a great story for future reference to say, "yeah, that chunk out of the gelcoat was from that swordie last whenever"....

As for me, well, I guess some things are just a bit more challenging and dangerous than others. I'm willing to take some risk at landing one solo. I know the older I get the harder it will be.
 
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Chuck, I got a 50w 2 speed with 80 if you need to borrow a schtick during your schtick :D

Just don't lose it :D
 
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Do you know what these guys baited the fish with? ie...dead/alive mackeral?

I talked to Scott (Bd'er - Tooth) last night at Cheers and I'm pretty sure he said the sword they had hooked up on Sat was on a dean.
 
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We have a topless 4/0 size 2speed Avet. Lots of specta, #60 mono to 12' of #250 mono to a nice big hook.

Rod is a Calstar 765ML. It is very castable.

There is a good video of a swordfish ripping a TLD30 off it's base on Youtube. Check it out!

YouTube - Giant Swordfish Attacks Boat

Very cool thread and even more cool of a video!!!

Now here is the kicker!! My good buddy Ryan ( BDer BajaV) who I fish with all of the time is the deckhand on this vid (white shirt).

He told me about this the day it happened and told me they took some killer still pics and then went on to tell me that they had a film crew on board that took some bitchen footage as well!! To this day I dont belive Ryan has ever seen this video nor has knowledge that it exsists on Youtube! Wait untill he opens the link I am about to send him by E-Mail LOL.......... he is going to be stoked!!!!

That was a heartbreaker of a day for them on the "Kia Kia" as that fish should have been toast!!! Thats your chance right there and from the guys I know who have caught them in the past it isnt that uncommon for you to have a shot at one very early in the game.

I was crewing on a yacht a few years before this hookup happened on the Kia Kai and we hooked one in almost the exact same manner. The fish turned and wacked the bait and before you knew it the owner was on a pissed of swordie that was going totally nuts on the surface (very simular to the video posted by Bryan). The fish we had came right up to the bow and under the angler (who at the time was fighting it off the pulpit)

For the first few minutes I was videoing the fight but then quickly had to put hand off the video and get a flying gaff ready. What sucked for us was that for some reason which I cant remember we didnt have an 8' flyer on board but only a 6' model, and on the yacht the gunnels sit fairly high above the waterline. This fish came right up to the boat near the transom quite a few times and it honestly should have been a done deal but as much as I tried to lean over and sink the flyer it was just about a foot out of reach!!! As you can guess the fish eventually broke off!!!! Haunts me to this day!

I had a video of this here on BD that kepdawg put up but when doing a search I can not find it??? Jason, do you know what might have happened to it??

EDIT: I just spoke to Ryan by phone and it looks like he did first view the video a few months ago. That video is BITCHEN Ryan!!!! Lets here more about that day.

You guys in small boats that want to possibly take one of these might want to invest in a couple of those heavy duty orange bouys. Run a line from your flyer to the end of a couple of bouys (spaced about 5' apart) and sink that gaff in Mr Elvis and then let him tow those floats off till he dies.

The unknown fisherman:p:
 
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Here is my Dedicated Set-up.

Calstar 700XH with a roller ring tip, hyplon aft grip with a gimbal.

Tiagra 30Wlrs, 130 lb spectra backing with a 50lb momoi diamond top shot. I tied an aussie braid to make a double for my 200lb flouro wind-on connected to a 8/0 Jobu.

thats an almost identical setup i have but that momoi line sucks in my opinion, any feelings on maxima thats all i use ?
 
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