Swivel and bead vs Carolina keeper

johnnyboy

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When lobbing Gulp or Sandcrabs for perch or corbina on light line I always rig with the Carolina Keeper but notice most are using the swivel and bead set up. Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions? Your successes? Thanks. keeper.jpg
 
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    I have used both methods. I prefer the swivel and bead. I have caught more fish with it ( just luck ? ) and the keeper slips occasionally for me. It has been said fish what you believe in.
     
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    hucklongfin

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    Swivel/bead combo adds 2 extra knots. Less is more! They make a stiffer keeper (red?) if it’s slipping.
     
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    hucklongfin

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    I use swivel and bead in the surf, had the keeper slip too many times especially pulling though salad. Got this this morning on dawn patrol Just had it for dinner. Delicious

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    Nice! I settled for grilled Wahoo! I had YT for lunch. I still have a tonnage to go from my freezer.
     
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    fishdog43

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    I usually use a small split ring in place of the swivel. My rig is hook about 18 -20 inches of leader, split ring, red bead, egg sinker.
     
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    craig ito

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    I fish both...easier with keeper when they are biting good (perch) because you can adjust, and retie fast...have had them slip but not enough to not want to fish em...the only issue I have with the keeper is line twist sometimes pending on what bait I have on...I fish ultra light trout gear 2-4 lb test...once you learn your gear and how much pressure you can apply, that 4lb is pretty strong, even got a legal flatty on 2lb....oh yeah less connections less places your set-up can fail...
     
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    ZZZZZ

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    Corbina are a delicacy. And not commercialy fished. Great game fish and eating. I overcast for them. Their main diet is crab.

    Orange/colored beads get bit included in a carolina rig (good or bad). Looks like a roe sack. Some missed strikes are hookless bead bites (bead bit or do I suck). That's the entire point. For the bead to draw a strike and for the clacking of the bead against the slider to draw fish in. Something to keep in mind. Has its advantages. I have fished the orange bead allot

    In Jr high-school. I started using a split ring and put a treble on my torpedo sinker for Codfish. And pounded the torpedo with a hammer into a diamond shape. Saw a diamond jig in a magazine for lingcod

    Keeper = line twist like a split shot can. Has its advantages. 1 knot
     
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    tony270

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    The sliding sinker rig with swivel above the leader prevents the line from becoming twisted up. A free floating leader tends twist with the current (the weight will roll on the bottom), the ebbs and flows will also cause twisting.

    The same thing can happen with a surf leader rig. In that case I’ve learned use a snap swivel at the weight end, and one above the leader. As for fish twisting the line up, I've never really noticed that, mostly stretching nearest swivel. The snap and swivel are also good for quick change leader (fresh bait).

    And its difficult to use a sliding sinker witiout a swivel as a stop, even the barrel sleeve setup uses a swivel (sturgeon rig). I'd suggest a red bead, above the hook's eye.
     
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    johnnyboy

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    The sliding sinker rig with swivel above the leader prevents the line from becoming twisted up. A free floating leader tends twist with the current (the weight will roll on the bottom), the ebbs and flows will also cause twisting.

    The same thing can happen with a surf leader rig. In that case I’ve learned use a snap swivel at the weight end, and one above the leader. As for fish twisting the line up, I've never really noticed that, mostly stretching nearest swivel. The snap and swivel are also good for quick change leader (fresh bait).

    And its difficult to use a sliding sinker witiout a swivel as a stop, even the barrel sleeve setup uses a swivel (sturgeon rig). I'd suggest a red bead, above the hook's eye.
    I have noticed line twist using the keeper.
     
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    Jdkfishing

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    Use 2 keepers, 1 below and 1 on top of your lead.
    It's the lead that is sliding and pounding into your keeper that makes it slide down.

    Robert
    I think the lead sliding is intentional, not sure how it impacts effectiveness, but the lead sliding allows the line to be pulled by the fish without getting spooked by detecting the weight. Carolina Rig is same concept as the fish finder rig with less hardware.
     
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