Surface Iron Leader # Class...?

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  1. Dinklimit

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    Under 'normal' (in any given year/season) Surface Iron fishing conditions in SoCal...

    What # class of line would be considered 'universal' and that everyone agrees is used 'most of the time' for Surface Iron Fishing...? 20, 30, 40 or 50...?

    Did it not change (gotten lighter) over the decades...? i.e. I heard that back in the 50's, 60's, 70's...The grade of fish were 'better/bigger', therefore back than, people fished surface irons with a pretty high # class of mono (50-80).

    My original train of thought is that the 'grade' of fish dictates the # class of leader you use...correct...? i.e. bigger fish = higher # class, smaller fish = lighter # class.

    So...in theory...there really is no universal surface iron line # class...correct...? But than again...I always hear people suggesting numbers around for surface iron and '40' gets thrown around a lot.

    Also...Let's not forget line # class as it relates to 'thickness' and therefore its 'resistance' in the water. Hence...higher # class for shallow/high/topwater presentations/retrieve. Likewise...lighter # class for deeper presentations and retrieves. Obviously...Where the fish are holding in the water column would also dictate which # class of leader you would also use...correct...?

    Does this theory only hold true for freshwater fishing only...? Therefore in saltwater...its 'no holds barred' and you pretty much use what you need to use in order to get bit or land a big fish...regardless of lure retrieval depth and line thickness resistance.

    Can someone skool me in the art of SoCal surface iron fishing...?
     
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    Gotta be 40 or 50. I "Start" at 50#.
     
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    40 or 50 for surface iron. 50 or 60 for yo yo.
     
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    Exactly the opposite.Heavier for deeper as there is less reason for stealth and your generally putting your jig closer to structure the deeper you go.
     
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    40lb XXX
     
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    40lb for heavier surface jigs, 30lb for lighter jigs like the Tady C or Salas JPots. 50 or 60 for yoyo.
     
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    40-60 no need to go light, it's a reaction bite
     
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    If I was fishing from a charter boat I would use 40-50 lb. I use 30lb-40lb on my surface iron. I also loose a few fish a year when using 30lb but I like using light gear, I feel its more sporty.
     
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    You can catch plenty of fish on straight braid as well.
     
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    So let me get this straight...Leader line class for surface iron fishing is not so much about line resistance for lure depth control.

    It is more about having a high enough # class to land 'most' (inc. bigger) fish for the given conditions/day. Because...as was stated, it is more of a 'reaction bite' therefore you don't need to worry about 'line shyness' or stealth.
     
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    So...How about lure 'action'...? Will/Do lighter leaders make surface irons swim better or have more action...? (e.g. just like in freshwater fishing techniques/lures)

    For example...Will dropping down a size class make a Tady45 or Salas 7x swim better or have more action, say if I choose to go with 30 instead of 40...?

    I understand the chances of losing a big fish increase...but...on the bright side, I will get to see more bites and it will definitely feel a lot more 'sporty'...correct...? Or...do most people really don't adopt this kind of mind set and will always fish the heavier line class, even if it means decreased lure action and/or bites...?
     
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    50 lb trip xxx always ...the action on the jigs is controlled by retrieve speed & some jigs are designed for a FAST retrieve and some are designed for a slower retrieve and you never know what the fish are biting fast or slow with one exception wahoo wind as fast as you can then wind faster lol . Good luck
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    Doug on the RP talked me into doing 80 lb leader for the big bluefin on the RP last year. I had no problem hooking up. For local I do 40-50 lb. Fishing the Ridge and Alijos I do 50-60.
     
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    I always use 40#
    40 will catch anything in our local waters
     
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    I go with 40-50 for both surface iron and yoyo. I go higher with poppers. I use only a few feet of leader for surface iron and poppers.
     
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    After YEARS of over-thinking the situation, straight 20# braid now works for me. :D

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    Since you mention leader a lot there's a point to be made between fishing mono or braid as your main line.

    A lot of the line size selection has to do with line capacity, castability, and line management on the spool. On a conventional reel you have to lay line manually, and that becomes more inconvenient with wider spools, so narrower reels are more beneficial, but they come at a line capacity cost, so heavier mono becomes less of an option. It also will cost you some casting distance.

    If you fish straight braid with a fluoro leader, then you can really get away with whatever lb test you want, and heavier is going to allow you to crank drags and winch fish in, although with a 9ft +/- rod that much drag can be hard to manage without going to the rail.

    Really I don't think the line diameter has that much of an effect on how a jig will swim, especially when you figure in current, chop, and all other variables that will affect how your jig swims at the end of your cast when you can't see exactly what it's doing. There are plenty of other things you can do to a jig that will change its action more than line diameter, maybe between 2 line classes of mono there will be significant difference. At most, maybe a higher line class of mono will be a bit more buoyant and bring a jig to the surface faster, so slower retrieve or let it sink a bit more, but with 2oz+ jigs I think how long your rod tip is, and how close you can get it to the water surface is going to make a bigger impact.

    40# surface, 60# yoyo is pretty damn good for inshore yellowtail, tuna or colonet yellows, bump up to somewhere around 60-100# purely for abrasion resistance and fish it with around 20# of drag or so, 1/3 of the braid # test, does that sound about right?
     
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    Hello,

    For the local islands I use 30lb on my light surface iron setup and 40lb on my heavier surface iron setup. I consider anything smaller then a Tady 45, under 3oz, a light surface iron. Anything the size of a Tady 45 or larger, 3oz or more, a heavy surface iron.

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    Locally usually 40, I'll go 30 and not even sweat it. I've leaned awfully hard on 30lb on my jig stick, I couldn't tell the difference from 40.
    But what the hell do I know.
     
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    40lb for surface jogs and depending where I'm at anything from 50-80lb for the grind
     
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