Stacking braids

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I'm looking at loading up a Penn 30VSX and 50VSX for cow fishing. Stacking braid or not stacking ? If stacking, what size of braid would you use for stacking and how much of each size; and would you use a mono or fluoro topshot? Thanks guys.
 

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No stacking here.....just use a 130# hollow, and old school mono 100# for the topshot.
 

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Going to ask, who will be filling these reels and how? Got a good winding machine? I think in terms of how much line I want. 500 yds for me minimum for fishing giant Yellowfin Tuna. Maybe 100 lb for the 30 and 130 lb for the 50. Then, hollow or solid is another debate.

30, fill with 100 lb solid and splice on like 25-50 feet of hollow to form a splced loop for loop to loop connection to pre-made topshot or no loop and just an inline splice? Yet another debate.

TMI? ;)
 

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130# spectra on a 30 sized reel would probably be less than 400 yards, way too little line for cow fishing IMO.

And I LOVE FC for insurance against chew offs.

YMMV
 

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I'm looking at loading up a Penn 30VSX and 50VSX for cow fishing. Stacking braid or not stacking ? If stacking, what size of braid would you use for stacking and how much of each size; and would you use a mono or fluoro topshot? Thanks guys.
No stacking for me. Do you really want your little sardine dragging MORE weight around, just for the imagined benefits of stacking? I don't.
Just load straight 100# JB hollow on the 30 and 130# on the 50.
As for mono or fluoro, all fluoro all the time.
Keep it simple.
 

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No stacking for me. Do you really want your little sardine dragging MORE weight around, just for the imagined benefits of stacking? I don't.
Just load straight 100# JB hollow on the 30 and 130# on the 50.
As for mono or fluoro, all fluoro all the time.
Keep it simple.
AMEN!
 

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Stacking is really a way of maximizing capacity when you want to fish smaller reels, imo.

For example, on the 30 you could put JB 100 deep then top it off with 130 for the last 100 yards and then you'd have 130 for the grunting and pulling at just below deep color etc.

But what you are finding is that it is one of those things that people with too much time and money on their hands think up to do between fishing trips but not something that is some uber advantage that will make or break you. The above advice of fishing 100 on the 30 and 130 on the 50 is the no brainer and it works way.

You can't break 100 anyways, you have to get cut and the difference in abrasion resistance between 100 and 130 is negligible.

salute

ps do not consider jb80 as it in fact breaks around 160lbs... and is thicker and stronger than JB "100" unless you have a specific need...it is effectively "JB 130" though it is thinner than "130:.
 

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Cal Sheets is loading my 30VSX 130 JB hollow,on my 50S he's going with 130 JB hollow topped with about 200 yards of 200 JB hollow
 

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you mean step splicing...........
and,
resistance is reduced by the lowest common demoninator
ie: 500 of 80/100 to 50 to 100 of 130 to 15/20' of flouro
higher strength in the end game for the vertical fight and abrasion
better capacity and less drag and resistance at distance
i do consider 80 being it is a 16 carrier braid over a 12 carrier 100
especially cow fishing
they are almost identical in diameter
and,
i feel the 80 is superior
cost not withstanding
 

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Thanks everyone for all the responses. Seems a lot of different ways to load up these things. Please keep the resonses coming. You guys are the pros. Again Thanks.
 

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I gave up "stacking" I want the smallest diameter spectra possible in the water to help the bait swim and most capacity...IMO you gain very little in abrasion resistant between 200# spectra and 130# spectra especially under load......I feel very few anglers can or will break 130#,100# or 80# spectra with a straight pull....

I put 130#FC into 130# and 100# hollow or 100#FC into 100# hollow...IMO 200# is too big.

I run straight 130# on my 50s....straight 100# on my 30s and 12 ATD....
 

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i'm with you David
i'm even fishing solid 100
due to bad experiences in separation in my hollow 100's (i won't say which brand on the boards)
and for less drag in the water
so, i have ditched 100 hollow for hollow 80
or,
solid hundy
connections are a whole another story
 

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What kind of knot connections do you guys use spectra to spectra?
Just say NO to knots. Hollow to hollow splices for everything, even my topshots are made to be spliced on. Sano
 

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now now Jimmy
you know you have that PR knot down pat
 

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you know you have that PR knot down pat
Holy shit, you need to pack a lunch to tie that knot. Slick connection for solid spectra to hollow spectra, pull the solid up inside the hollow and put a nail knot over the hollow as the solid exits. Sano and gives you the some hollow to do that inline splice with the tag end of your topshot. Amazingly strong connection as the friction between spectra is much greater than that between hollow spectra and mono or fluoro.
 

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I asked this question just the other day because i too was curious. Personaly on my 30 i go all 130lb hollow to a hundred yard topshot of 200lb hollow and than make a looke for my connection. On my 50 i do they exact same except 200yards of 200lb hollow
 

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over doing the line size/for reel there Ryan
anyway, Steve
yep, never trusted that method
i'm to the point of overhand knots
glue the extra
PR is a trap, not a knot, so to speak
 

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I asked this question just the other day because i too was curious. Personaly on my 30 i go all 130lb hollow to a hundred yard topshot of 200lb hollow and than make a looke for my connection. On my 50 i do they exact same except 200yards of 200lb hollow
why the 200#???
 

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super abrasion resistant.. quick inline splice connections with 200lb too.. I like the idea..
Under load I don't think one gains much abrasion resistance over 130# and it increases drag on the bait......I also like the hollow to be the same # test as my leader.....ie. 130#FC into 130#hollow 100#FC into 100# hollow....for a tighter chinese finger trap.

You also have decreased line capacity with a hundred yards of 200# as opposed to 100 yards of 130#....every little bit helps jMO.
 

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i will make this interesting. it al depends on if it is your big bait rig, your sardine rig,your daytime or night time rig. then how are they biting,scratch,long saok or wide open. need to be ready for all of those situations at any time. so then, how many big fish rigs do you take.goooooooing
 

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i will make this interesting. it al depends on if it is your big bait rig, your sardine rig,your daytime or night time rig. then how are they biting,scratch,long saok or wide open. need to be ready for all of those situations at any time. so then, how many big fish rigs do you take.goooooooing
Yet another great debate.

So many fish, so little time.
 

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super abrasion resistant.. quick inline splice connections with 200lb too.. I like the idea..
I liked it too. My thinking was that I had better put ssome 200 lb hollow on top of my 130 lb hollow so that when I spliced in my topshot, it would be 200 to 200. Then one day, I realized, what the heck? You're splicing 130 to 200 somewhere, why not do it just once? On the other hand, that 100 lb JB Hollow is not that easy to work with, so I top off my 30 size reels with some 130 lb to make those splices easier to do. Not much, just about ten feet of fresh 130 for each trip.

I use 200 lb hollow for 130 and 150 lb as well and put 100 lb into 130 lb hollow. Lots of gripping power there, don't think it should be a concern. Different strokes.
 

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I liked it too. My thinking was that I had better put ssome 200 lb hollow on top of my 130 lb hollow so that when I spliced in my topshot, it would be 200 to 200. Then one day, I realized, what the heck? You're splicing 130 to 200 somewhere, why not do it just once? On the other hand, that 100 lb JB Hollow is not that easy to work with, so I top off my 30 size reels with some 130 lb to make those splices easier to do. Not much, just about ten feet of fresh 130 for each trip.

I use 200 lb hollow for 130 and 150 lb as well and put 100 lb into 130 lb hollow. Lots of gripping power there, don't think it should be a concern. Different strokes.
IMO simpler is better.....100# not that hard to work with.