Spooling up for Bluefin

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by Steve K, May 12, 2019.

  1. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    We have talked a bit about bringing short trip discussions to this Long Range forum. In this case, a fairly close fishery, is being tapped by overnight, day and a half, even all day boats like Liberty and San Diego. But, at the front end or back end of a longer trip, it’s a sure bet we’ll be seeing boats take a swing at these big, beautiful Bluefin. Saw this with both the RP and Excel at the end of their recent 15-16 day trips.

    I’m getting suggestions on rigging that go counter to my usual setups. Flylining 40-50 lb I’m almost 100% 60-80 lb braid to a topshot of 15-25 feet of fluorocarbon. San Diego captain Ryan Bostian and others are suggesting a reel half full of braid, topped with mono and a short piece of fluorocarbon to the hook. What’s the deal on that?
     
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    ripped I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Sink rate and a reserve of mono from inevitable cut offs.
     
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  3. Trout.com

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    Forgiveness when caught in a tangle and shock absorption from violent head shakes.
     
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    When you have a 60' boat with 30+ anglers many with little or no experience in fly lineing baits on a long soak the tangles can be catastrophic JMO....and untangling mono is much easier than a undoing a spectra sweater not to mention spectra burn offs ..... there is one long range boat that asks all anglers use long mono top shots on all their trips even on 8 and longer day trips another reason I don't ride that boat.....
     
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    Since bluefin have great eyesight (the best of any bony fish, according to one study) I would think a slightly longer polymer leader / topshot might be more stealthy than the old 5 ft fluoro direct tied to spectra.

    Maybe 20 - 40 feet though, not half the spool....?
     
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  6. yakdout

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    The problem is not everyone would be using a mono top shot. People will still use spectra to short flouro. I actually prefer a 20-40 yard mono top shot, however I don’t do it most of the time because I don’t want to get sawed off by a noob using straight spectra.
     
  7. Fishybuzz

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    Moving mono will cut static spectra....
     
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    If two anglers are tight you’re saying the mono will cut spectra? That’s a new one for me. I can see it as a possibility but only if the lines were completely perpendicular to each other which is probably never the case. If the mono is coming across the spectra at an angle other than 90 degrees, which it will, I would think the spectra would still easily cut the mono.
     
  9. surfgoose

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    I second Michael's opinion. Several years ago I was fishing braid to a rod-length of fluorocarbon, the idea being that the thin diameter braid and invisible-to-tuna fluorocarbon would let the bait run better and get bitten faster. It worked, in that I would get bit. But . . .

    Without any stretch or spring in the line, the fight was a lot more violent. And at the end of the fight, with the tuna at color just a dozen yards or less below the waiting gaffs, with the reel at max and the rod at max and me straining for all I was worth, those micro head shakes were transferring all of that strain to the hook, and little by little the tuna was tearing a slightly bigger hole in his face. And three times on that trip I lost very big tuna at the final part of the fight to "pulled hooks." The hook was fine, the knot was fine, the hook didn't really "pull" although that is the term that we use. The tuna strained enough that his flesh tore slightly, and those head-shakes got the hook to pop out.

    So now I use ten to twenty yards of mono over the braid. The several feet of stretch available in that length of mono gives enough cushion to absorb the head shakes. And I haven't had a "pulled hook" episode since.
     
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  10. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    I remembered hearing some discussion on this very topic on an episode of Let’s Talk Hookup. From April 27, hour two, about ten minutes in, responding to a call in question, Rock Cod Rick and the guest, Brian Kiyohara, took at least 10 minutes addressing the question. Good stuff, check it out from the archives. Really a good show. Hard to get more well informed opinions.

    Think I’ll stick with my original plan, flylining Sardines with 20-25 feet of fluorocarbon. Contrary to some opinions, there’s some stretch with the leader material I use. Seaguar Premier. I’ve been successful boating several large fish this way, relying on the forgiveness in the rod tip and well maintained, greased drags, to avoid pulled hooks.
     
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  11. shellback

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    what boat is that?
    the reason I ask is to be able to conform ahead of time...
     
  12. jer dog

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    Steve, Rene from the shogun, was on the
    Show this morning, and he said 20
    To 30 feet of mono, then a piece of
    Flouro, is what he likes people to use,
    I’m leaning toward that on most of my setups ,
    For my 8 day next month.
     
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    Excellent explanation. Thank you.
     
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  14. Jaysons999

    Jaysons999 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I’m usually a full spectra to 4’ flouro top shot since it has really worked well the last few years but with the bluefin that just doesn’t work. I’m usually private boat fishing but a few times a year I’ll do a 1.5 day. I tried the old take a sharpie to the last 10’ of spectra then a 4’ flouro top shot and that was unproductive as well.
    With these bluefin having such good vision I like having a 10’ mono to 4’ flouro top shot. My reasoning is that I like to have some mono because it’s easier to quickly retie because tangles are unavoidable. You also get the stretch that’s good because your higher up off the water when the boat is rolling. The reason I like 15’ or shorter top shot is it’s easier for a bait to pull around. Plus with a mono to flouro transition there’s no light telescoping all the way to the hook.
    This is just what has worked for me myself and is just the opinion of one person.
     
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    If the mono is moving and the spectra is stationary the spectra will be cut.....
     
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    with both lines under tension, this is true.
    we hope people are adept enough to slack off when they feel the rub
     
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    Half the people cannot even keep their bait in front of them.
     
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  18. Jaysons999

    Jaysons999 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    The other half can’t fish!
     
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    Steve, I watched Ken Corwin on the last 10 day...100' of mono with a flouro leader from the tip to the reel with a 3 turn surgeons...man was constantly hooked up, both on the 40# YFT at the 13, and the 50 to 110# bluefin at Cortez(40 and 50# rigs). Anybody that asked, the crew just said "Be Ken..." :D
     
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  20. vegasandre

    vegasandre I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    After last season I have redone all my 50 lb and under rigs due to major major success ratios after witnessing one particular astonishing display by another angler last year on a 1.5 day he caught 14 big bft. I caught 5.. most guys had 1 or 2. So I asked him what did he do different?
    and here it is...

    NO more mono for me and no more hollow on 80lb and under.

    here is how I spool now.
    50lb setup: fill spool with 50lb solid white braid
    40 lb setup: fill spool with 40lb white solid braid
    30lb setup : Fill spool with 30lb white solid braid.
    20-25lb : fill spool up with 30lb white solid braid.

    then tie a 6-10 ft Flouro leader via a FG knot.

    good luck.
     

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