Spinner set-up for 'lupe

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I am seeing more and more folks taking spinning reels lately on longer trips and I haven't owned a salt spinner since surfishing as a kid.
So, If you were going to take a spinning rig to fish at the 'Lupe what would you choose as the ideal set-up?
Reel, rod and line...Something to fish colt snipers poppers and bait for YFT up to 50-60 lbs.
 
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I take a spinner or 2 on my 10 days. A Saragosa 10k on a Black Hole CB S801H works for me for bait, snipers and poppers. I got a wahoo last weekend at the Rocks on an Okuma Mak 20k on a BH CCS 80G with a bomb and YFT/skippies on a TwinPower 14k on a BH CCS 86N with a Heru Skipjack 60 on the Ridge.
 
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    Greg, spend a couple of fun hours reading the reviews on www.alanhawk.com to get the straight lowdown on salt water spinners.

    He is a very serious engineer and knows what he is talking about. In the past decade he has had a huge influence upon the manufacturers, for the better.

    I faced the same situation two years ago. I didn't want to fight cow tuna with spinning gear, but wanted a rig that could play with the up-to-100# fish and give my sore left hand (carpal tunnel and arthritis) a break from the usual conventional gear.

    I ended up (thanks to Alan's influence) with a Shimano Spheros 20000. Not nearly as smooth as a Stella, but also only a quarter of the cost. It's wearing 400 yards of 80# braid and is on the strongest Shimano Terez made, although I am aware that there are more expensive rods that are even better. But for less than $600 total I have an outfit that I can confidently throw poppers for tuna or bombs for wahoo and feel confident that I can land the fish. And have done so, no problems.
     
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    I’m bringing a Stella 14k on a black hole 86N for my 8day this fall. I figure it’ll do just about everything I want it to.
    This is the killer all around setup. Can be used for bait, bombs, popping, jigs, etc. I have a similar one. Although I have it on the 10' black hole rod, which casts stickbaits and poppers ridiculously well. Use seaguar 50 hollow, breaks at 90lb, and you have a setup that can handle fish 20-100lb no problem. Over 100lb, you're going want a harness.
     
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    This is the killer all around setup. Can be used for bait, bombs, popping, jigs, etc. I have a similar one. Although I have it on the 10' black hole rod, which casts stickbaits and poppers ridiculously well. Use seaguar 50 hollow, breaks at 90lb, and you have a setup that can handle fish 20-100lb no problem. Over 100lb, you're going want a harness.
    I’m just spooling it with straight 80# seaguar threadlock since it’ll be a little “stiffer” and easier to deal with.
     
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    I’m just spooling it with straight 80# seaguar threadlock since it’ll be a little “stiffer” and easier to deal with.
    I've had no windknots so far with the 50, and opening it up for windons is not a problem either. Of course 80 will be easier, but you get more than 450yds of the 50 on it, just in case Mr. Big gets ahold of your lure.
     
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    I posted my review a week ago about my trip to Guadalupe. I used a spinner for 6-7 fish on the trip and it really helped get the bait away from the boat. Myself and one other guy used a spinner and it really helped us get bit. I lost a bigger fish likely 60-80# because it pulled far harder than the 50# I landed on the spinner. The bigger fish was lost after a pulled hook after we were at a stalemate for 20 minutes of being on a stalemate at 150’ down. I would thumb the spool lift the rod and gain 3 feet of line and the fish would promptly take the line back. I don’t think it was the fault of the spinner but instead the limitation of 50# line.

    I used Saragossa 10,000 with 450 yards of 50# braid and black hole rod.
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    Yo Greg,

    In my opinion, there is a difference between a spinning reel setup for fishing bait and a set up for fishing artificial lures. The reason is the size/gauge of the Spectra. For me, having a spinner that can be set easily with True 25+ pounds of drag for Wahoo, Small/Medium Tuna, and any size Yellowtail is super important when fishing artificial lures of any type, including Wahoo Bombs. For bigger Tuna, having a reel that can fish True 32+ pounds of drag and 40+ for the real big boys. This also means I am always fishing 80 or 100 Pound Hollow Threadlock for all those applications. In actuality, I prefer 30 pounds of drag for Wahoo and Bombs/Raiders

    What I mean by True pounds of drag means that even when the spool starts to heat up under high drag pressure and longer runs, the reel's insides will not expand and reduce the amount of actual drag on exerted on the fish. There are so many excellent spinning reels on the market that claim say 40+ pounds of drag that just do not perform to those claims under real life applications. Generally, those qualifications apply to higher end/cost spinners plus the un-usual and amazing deal put out by the Quantum Cabo 100 and 120. Unfortunately, for those of us casting all day, day in and day out, the Cabo is not my favorite feeling reel.. That said, those two reels, are amazing for about less than half the price of the Shimano Twin Power 14K (One of my favorite reels for under 120 pound fish on a long range platform)

    Bait reels are different in that I prefer 50# test Spectra for the size fish you noted.. This way, you can fish 25 - 60 pound test leader for bait.

    For any of those applications, the Shimano Twin Power 14K plus Blackhole Cape Cod Nano Popping 86 has been my favorite rig for many years.. I have been recommending and selling them since they came out many years ago.. For the serious Spinner fisherman, this is an amazing rig... I only put Threadlock on my spinners as I believe they have the best product to reduce wind knots especially when throwing in windy conditions.

    Another great reel I fished a couple of weeks ago on our Ten day was the Daiwa Isla 5000H. I loaded one with 60 and one with 80 Threadlock and they performed flawlessly on dozens of popper fish and bombs. I was super impressed but they are expensive at retail pricing.

    Other reels that I fish regularly are the 10K and 25 K Shimano Saragosa (I prefer the 25 K for most artificial lure applications), the Shimano Stella 18 K and the Daiwa Saltist 6500 and 8000 models that I like for Wahoo bombs. I have tested and used other Spinners but these are in my quiver currently.

    One other note: When fishing Spinners the size and weight of the reel are not as intrusive as they are on conventional reels. Though I prefer light weight reels and proper popping rods when fishing my poppers all day for a week or two, I find my 25K reels are great for distance casting as well as most any casting using Wahoo Bombs.. I like the power of the bigger reel when grinding in Wahoo or other fish as you noted in your OP.

    Best of luck.. You are welcome to PM me if you are interested in more info. Have a great season.

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    When it come to fishing tackle it’s all about personal preference. Just remember one thing : spinning rods is a general term, popping/ stickbait tuna rods are designed to lift the tuna and have a different bend.
    I do not subscribe to the gang on black hole rods. Very strong fishing rods but don’t have in my opinion the refinement of other manufacturers. I prefer mc works, ripple fisher, Yamaga blanks and synit rods. It’s all about personal preference so my advice is to talk to people and actually fish with the product before making your own opinion ( kind of hard to do that in California since quality spinning tackle is fairly scarce)
     
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    I just wish Shimano still made a Saragosa 14k. I got the Twin Power 14k for the 53” per crank for popping. It’s a lot more expensive but doesn’t add much to the ‘gosa other than the extra 12” per crank. I know Alan Hawk doesn’t like the TP’s but he doesn’t throw poppers.

    The Twin Power 14k on the Black Hole CCS 86n is going on my 10 day next month!
     
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    I have a few of the rigs Jamie mentioned. The BH/14K is a Ferrari and the Quantum Cabos are Mack Trucks. I really like both and the size/weight of the Cabos doesn't bother me. The 14K setup is my favorite but I like to have an extra spool or two and the Cabo spools are WAY cheaper than the ones for the 14K. BTW, with the Cabos, the 100/120 are the same reel (different spool) but the 80 and below are lesser reels.
     
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    I have a few of the rigs Jamie mentioned. The BH/14K is a Ferrari and the Quantum Cabos are Mack Trucks. I really like both and the size/weight of the Cabos doesn't bother me. The 14K setup is my favorite but I like to have an extra spool or two and the Cabo spools are WAY cheaper than the ones for the 14K. BTW, with the Cabos, the 100/120 are the same reel (different spool) but the 70 and below are lesser reels.
    I have caught yellowfin up to 110 lbs on the first generation Cabo 80, the new ones are improved in gearing and drag, I just don’t like the handle configuration. If you are going for fish around the 80-100# mark the Cabo 80 will be all you need unless you want to get a workout as well( Cabo 100-120 feel bulkier and are fairly heavy casting plugs all day ).
    Stepping it up a bit wound be to look for a saltinga z 4500 (2001-2008) in clean condition and swap the drag washers with carborex washers. I found mint ones for around $350 on eBay. Then you would have a daiwa smooth reel, built like a tank and ready to fish easy in the 60-80# yellowfin all day. It will be lighter than a Cabo 80 and if you are looking for a spare spool you can fit a older generation saltiest 5000 spool on it( you can find those easy for fairly cheap in used condition - recently I bought a lightly used saltist 5000 with aftermarket knob for $130). There are many options out there, just have to take your time, put in the work and research it.
     
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    50lb threadlock, you can put 25lb of pressure on fish, or more, especially during the death spirals. It breaks at 80-90lb. I've brought 80lb yft to the boat in 3 minutes with that line using a spinner and a 10' rod. Of course that was on a stickbait with treble hooks, so maybe that helped.
     
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    50lb threadlock, you can put 25lb of pressure on fish, or more, especially during the death spirals. It breaks at 80-90lb. I've brought 80lb yft to the boat in 3 minutes with that line using a spinner and a 10' rod. Of course that was on a stickbait with treble hooks, so maybe that helped.
    It takes a good, stong back to fight a tuna for 3-5 minutes on 25 lb drag on a spinning rod. I usually start from 18 lbs and bump it up as i need by turning one clicker at a time. I had a scale in the beginning, now I just pull line with my hand and set it to where it seems familiar.
     
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    It takes a good, stong back to fight a tuna for 3-5 minutes on 25 lb drag on a spinning rod. I usually start from 18 lbs and bump it up as i need by turning one clicker at a time. I had a scale in the beginning, now I just pull line with my hand and set it to where it seems familiar.


    JMO...but if I were you stick with a scale.....I know very few people who can accurately pull 25# of drag by hand...you may be a exception.....lower drag 6# to 12# no biggie above that I use a scale.....why guess when you can be accurate.
     
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    JMO...but if I were you stick with a scale.....I know very few people who can accurately pull 25# of drag by hand...you may be a exception.....lower drag 6# to 12# no biggie above that I use a scale.....why guess when you can be accurate.
    I don’t pull #25 by hand, you git the posts all mixed up. I used to start at 18# with a scale, nowadays I don’t do that anymore- I just pull line by hand in what feels right and bump it up from there as required
     
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    I don’t pull #25 by hand, you git the posts all mixed up. I used to start at 18# with a scale, nowadays I don’t do that anymore- I just pull line by hand in what feels right and bump it up from there as required


    OK I guess I misunderstood your statement "I don't do that anymore"...in reference to using a scale...sorry about that.
     
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    Just returned from Guadalupe aboard the AA.
    Bait was a bit challenging to cast, figured I would try a "field test" spinning model I had brought along anticipating schoolies at the Ridge.
    Same size as a PENN Slammer III 5000, holding 300/30 Pro-Spec solid braid, and added 10 feet of 30-pound fluoro.
    Rod was a PENN Carnage II CARBWII3065S70 spinning model.
    Hooked a 45-pounder that took two very long runs, but I cranked the fish as easily as would have happened with a single-speed conventional. Landed it in about 25-30 minutes, was fortunate to avoid the shark.
    This size combo would be more appropriate offshore where the shark is not an issue, but I was very happy with how it performed on a good-grade yellowfin.
    In the theoretical future that contains anchovies and albacore, it will definitely be a viable choice.
     
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    Advanced material setups for Tuna and Wahoo.. Bamboo Gaff end with electrical taped on guides and Taped on reel..A full 3.5 feet long or so. Talk about putting the wood to the fish... This was a gift from Eddie on the R.P. only it was supposed to be a joke. The funniest part is this rig catches Wahoo, Yellowtail, Dorado and or Tuna most every trip. The only draw back to this rig is I fished bait... The only time during the trip I fished bait.. Hey, It's worth it. Super fun.

    The Last pic is the 8 foot version of my jig stick that I built.. Same deal except it has a reel seat and Cork Tape....Ultra advanced version LOL

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