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Scold

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As we all know “the best color for wahoo is fast”. I want to put something out there for everyone to consider in regards to how fast we work our lures and the successes you can have by working them at the fastest rate you possibly can (as long as the lure is swimming correctly). This would be for all of the species we target; not just wahoo.

The fastest retrieve reel that I can think of that is commonly used would be a Stella 14k which gets 53” per turn of the handle. The fastest I think anyone of us can turn the handle of a reel would be 2 turns per second. For the sake of argument, let’s say we can turn the handle 3 turns per second.

3 * 53 = 159. (Inches per second)
159 * 60 = 9540 (inches per minute)
9540 * 60 = 572400 (inches per hour)
572400 / 12 = 47700 (feet per hour)
47700 / 5280 = 9.03 miles per hour.

9mph is the absolute fastest we could be possibly working a lure. Using our standard 40-44” per turn reels and using the more realistic 2 turns per second ratio, we are usually burning our lures in at a whopping 5mph.

Don’t be afraid to reel fast. You won’t be pulling your lure away from any of the pelagics that we are targeting. Reaction strikes, where the fish is instinctually reacting to attack your lure are easier to generate at a higher speeds.
 

Bill W

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    Watching Jorge work a bomb with a Newell 533 5.5 he had a interesting crank which if I could duplicate I know my wahoo score would improve. While I crank as fast as I can he had a slight pump retrieve and the long handle on the Newell did not give the fastest speed but the slight pump at each reel crank seemed to work. Always just a lob cast and 45 degree return. The long handle made it effortless and he seemed to do it without any sweat. Yes… speed works, but technique was Jorge’s secret.
     
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    ....ssshhhhh Bill...I've been using that trick for years as well. Its "quirky" for sure. But the wahoo love that little scoot. Well now they ALL know....lol. Miss you Jorge.... "Mr. Strawberries"!
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    Bill W
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    Yep… Jorge’s motor oil salad dressing and wahoo enchiladas. I’ll teach you bitches how to catch a wahoo…
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    Scold

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    I guess I should clarify my intent of my post. I’m not saying faster is always better; more that we shouldn’t be afraid to work a lure as fast as we can. There is no way we can retrieve a lure faster than a dorado/YT/wahoo/tuna can swim.
     
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    Tom Honaker

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    As we all know “the best color for wahoo is fast”. I want to put something out there for everyone to consider in regards to how fast we work our lures and the successes you can have by working them at the fastest rate you possibly can (as long as the lure is swimming correctly). This would be for all of the species we target; not just wahoo.

    The fastest retrieve reel that I can think of that is commonly used would be a Stella 14k which gets 53” per turn of the handle. The fastest I think anyone of us can turn the handle of a reel would be 2 turns per second. For the sake of argument, let’s say we can turn the handle 3 turns per second.

    3 * 53 = 159. (Inches per second)
    159 * 60 = 9540 (inches per minute)
    9540 * 60 = 572400 (inches per hour)
    572400 / 12 = 47700 (feet per hour)
    47700 / 5280 = 9.03 miles per hour.

    9mph is the absolute fastest we could be possibly working a lure. Using our standard 40-44” per turn reels and using the more realistic 2 turns per second ratio, we are usually burning our lures in at a whopping 5mph.

    Don’t be afraid to reel fast. You won’t be pulling your lure away from any of the pelagics that we are targeting. Reaction strikes, where the fish is instinctually reacting to attack your lure are easier to generate at a higher speeds.
    You can actually wind a jig too fast, my experience with seastrike 33's is that they have a sweet spot where they swim and get bit better, bombs on the other hand, there is no such thing as too fast. That shimano speedmaster 20 has 52 inch per crank speed. It is peaking my curiosity as a bomb reel, would like any input from those that have tried it. It's the new speedmaster, not the old one. It's a cheaper version of the talica 20.
     
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    The spool looks pretty heavy. Does it cast well enough?
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    Scold

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    You can actually wind a jig too fast, my experience with seastrike 33's is that they have a sweet spot where they swim and get bit better, bombs on the other hand, there is no such thing as too fast. That shimano speedmaster 20 has 52 inch per crank speed. It is peaking my curiosity as a bomb reel, would like any input from those that have tried it. It's the new speedmaster, not the old one. It's a cheaper version of the talica 20.
    “As we all know “the best color for wahoo is fast”. I want to put something out there for everyone to consider in regards to how fast we work our lures and the successes you can have by working them at the fastest rate you possibly can (as long as the lure is swimming correctly). This would be for all of the species we target; not just wahoo.”
     
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    hucklongfin

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    I think many people think the jig is moving a lot faster than it really is. For most iron, faster isn't better as they have an optimal speed they swim best at and just spin if going too fast. Bombs however, don't swim or spin so faster is more better!
     
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    CrustyOne

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    Repost? New data?

     
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    Scold

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    Repost? New data?

    Repost. I had a conversation about it recently that brought it back up. Your username is accurate by the way.
     
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    Tom Honaker

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    I think many people think the jig is moving a lot faster than it really is. For most iron, faster isn't better as they have an optimal speed they swim best at and just spin if going too fast. Bombs however, don't swim or spin so faster is more better!
    With jigs, I fish a avet HXJ raptor for wahoo, Tim Ecstrom captain of the Royal star told me, you can grind awfully fast, try backing it off a tad . I basically fish seastrike 33's, they start spinning at a hyper grind speed, when I'm fishing raiders, I fish them faster. I've probably caught several thousand wahoo on Seastrike 33's, and that is definitely my jig of choice. That black chrome pink, and black chrome purple can be lethal. Fast is good, but letting the fish tell you what they want is more important. Can't tell you how many times where backing it off a tad is what wahoo want. Bombs, grind them fast, as if you're life dependent on it.
     
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    To bad to black Chrome is discontinued. I have caught more Wahoo on the black Chrome Sea Strike 33 than any other jig
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    I will remember that. But the last time out The wahoo had my bomb when it hit the water, not even in gear yet! I've never caught one on the troll
     
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    Good post and for the most part a fast grind is good with any sinking jig (ie bombs, raiders etc). For those wondering, the next time you go wahoo fishing...wire up a 7X light and just use the same winding cadence as if you were fishing YT. No speed grinding necessary. They eat that 7X surface iron just fine. Another fun way is to catch them on stick baits (ie Daiwa SP Minnow)....wire up that jig and watch how they blow out on it...it's awesome. Plus those trebles snag them on the side of their face and it's a much easier hook set. Good luck.
     
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    Mike Nall

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    With jigs, I fish a avet HXJ raptor for wahoo, Tim Ecstrom captain of the Royal star told me, you can grind awfully fast, try backing it off a tad . I basically fish seastrike 33's, they start spinning at a hyper grind speed, when I'm fishing raiders, I fish them faster. I've probably caught several thousand wahoo on Seastrike 33's, and that is definitely my jig of choice. That black chrome pink, and black chrome purple can be lethal. Fast is good, but letting the fish tell you what they want is more important. Can't tell you how many times where backing it off a tad is what wahoo want. Bombs, grind them fast, as if you're life dependent on it.
    I wish they would make the “flat” black finish on those again. Those were deadly.
     
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    Watching Jorge work a bomb with a Newell 533 5.5 he had a interesting crank which if I could duplicate I know my wahoo score would improve. While I crank as fast as I can he had a slight pump retrieve and the long handle on the Newell did not give the fastest speed but the slight pump at each reel crank seemed to work. Always just a lob cast and 45 degree return. The long handle made it effortless and he seemed to do it without any sweat. Yes… speed works, but technique was Jorge’s secret.
    Bill, what was Jorge's pump frequency? How many times per minute or second was he doing that maneuver? Thanks.
     
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    Body grinding action. Anchoring the rod solid to the body that's in motion with the handle turning. One reason why I fish with rod under left arm. I feel/know my body and rod has more range with the rod under my left arm and not my right. Each person is different.

    Like goofy foot or regular foot. With boarding sports

    I have been claiming flat black marauder or other wahoo trollers and casters.

    Flat black bomb. Halloween no orange. When dorado and juvenile tuna are mixed in. Like off a kelp. No flash, can keep dorado and peanuts off while sinking out below that stuff and on the grind

    White is flash btw
     
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    When I yoyo. My rod tip is going in a controlled but tiring circular motion.
     
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    I guess I should clarify my intent of my post. I’m not saying faster is always better; more that we shouldn’t be afraid to work a lure as fast as we can. There is no way we can retrieve a lure faster than a dorado/YT/wahoo/tuna can swim.

    Fishers ever try and net a fish in a aquarium. Fish are fast
     
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