Soldering Split Rings???

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  1. harddrive

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    Hey Guys,

    So, I got lazy and I just solder the split rings as I solder regular rings for hooks and lures. I did that on my Nomads DTX as I didn't have the rings in the right size.

    What I do is solder the two spots where they open up.

    What do you guys think?

    Am I just being lazy?
     
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    Yes....:D
     
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    Do they elongate while being tested to failure?
     
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    Hopefully you hook a lazy fish
     
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    No, they stay the same shape. I've used them on the DTX and had wahoo hit on the troll with no problems.

    The main thing I know people complain about is they come open. Me being lazy kind of solves it. :D

     
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    I wouldn't call that lazy....maybe wasted effort.
     
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    Haven't heard that one before. On the trip that I was on, no one had issues with the split rings. Other problems, yes, but not with the split rings. And we caught lots of wahoo. And lots of guys were using the DTX Minnows.

    As far as the brazing of the split rings goes, I am thinking that those rings are heat treated. When you apply enough heat to the ring to braze, you have lost its original molecular properties of the material. If the braze joint holds, it shouldn't be a problem, but I wouldn't do it. I am assuming you are talking about Brazing and not Soldering. Two different joining methods.
     
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    The split rings on the DTX minnows out of the box wore away from the vibration after being trolled for an extended period of time on my November trip. Never saw that before
     
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    I guess the correct term is brazing with a mini torch. :D Right?

    Last year, we were trolling the DTX and a few of us, including me, lost the back hook. That's why I put brazed the split rings.

    We shall see.
     
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    The original Megabaits (the metal jig, not their trolling guppy) had brazed split rings. They must've thought it would help, but the hooks they used were pretty weak, so the ring really didn't need to hold all that well, anyway. For the cost of a couple of beers, you can go to the c and t designs website and buy all the rings you'd need for several DTX minnows. If you are using silver, definitely go with 14 gauge rings, if using bronze, you can probably get away with 16 gauge.
     
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    If you were lazy you wouldn’t be soldering or brazing. You would be paying people to put solid rings on all your stuff, which is costly. 5 rigged Shimano flatfall jigs for $160? You gotta be shitting me. No thanks I’m not stupid. If you’ve already figured out the braze/solder, you have the expensive part of the equation solved. The cheap part is the rings, spending a couple more cents would make more sense.
     
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    The distinguishing factor between solder and braze is the temperature at which the filler metal melts. Technically nothing to do with the heat that’s administered as you can be over/under temp for said filler metal.
     
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    Good to know.

    Brazing is a metal-joining process in which two or more metal items are joined together by melting and flowing a filler metal into the joint, the filler metal having a lower melting point than the adjoining metal.

     
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    You lost the hook as canyonman described? Or you had a wahoo on and it pulled the split ring off of the lure?
     
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    We got hit and then nothing. Thought it was a short bite, then when we brought the lure in, the back hook was just missing with the split ring.

     
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    Agreed. If I could have gotten the right size solid ring in time, I would have changed them out.

    Also, I am doing a 2 dayer this weekend and I made a few flat falls. They're charging like $45 bucks for one rigged!

     
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    Hmmmm I rigged 5 for a buddy last week 4 of them had that 5 hook set up.....I can see why they charge $45 ....12 brazed rings 5 hooks 6 swivels on each lure.....
     
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    What is the difference between brazing and soldering.
    Which is stronger?
    Which is faster and easier?
    Is there any finishing of the joint needed(grinding, polishing)?
     
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    I use a small butane torch and silver 56% solder. I guess that's called brazing.

    From Quora.

    The basic difference between soldering and brazing is the temperature which is necessary to melt the filler metal. Soldering is a low-temperature analog to brazing.Soldering takes place with fillers that melt at below 840°F (450°C). ... If the filler metal melts below 840ºF the process being performed is soldering.
     
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    Yes, $45 for the work is fair for rigging like you're talking about especially if you did it. Probably catch lots of sharks. :D

     

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