Socorro Air Strip

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by freegaff2, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. Fishybuzz

    Fishybuzz fishybuzz

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    It would be highly unusual for the USCG to med evac someone out of Mexico....the only way a private med evacuation operation would agree to evacuate a person is it they were guarantee payment and if it were life threatening situation . Med evacuation insurance is available.
     
  2. ZZZZZ

    ZZZZZ natural born jig slingers

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    Glad everything is ok and the healing process goes well.

    Broke and crushed 3 ribs 1.5 years ago. Could not get off the ground and did not want any help getting up. Just laid there for awhile and every pore on my arms was beading sweat. Barley could breath. Started working 30 minutes later then later that day drove my buddy to a house to check a rental. On a bumpy dirt road. Woke up in the morning and it took me 1 hour to get out of bed. Saw a glass of water on the bed stand it was out of reach by 6 inches. I gave up on trying to grab the glass of water. When I push on my ribs it makes a crack sound everytime now. Use the elastic strap that holds the ribs in position. I just used advil a few days after they broke :shake:

    Flight out for broken/fractured ribs isnt happening if a lung is not punctured. Even then? $?
     
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  3. reellady

    reellady I'd rather be catching TUNA

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    Just a note, I always have trip insurance.
     
  4. Fishybuzz

    Fishybuzz fishybuzz

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    Trip insurance is different than medical evacuation insurance....
     
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  5. reellady

    reellady I'd rather be catching TUNA

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    you're right Fishy, and my insurance has that too.
     
  6. Fishybuzz

    Fishybuzz fishybuzz

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    Sooooo why didn't you get air lifted out?
     
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  7. reellady

    reellady I'd rather be catching TUNA

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    who knows
     
  8. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    Rather than continuing to hound Donna about her personal experience, I’m more interested in a more acute diagnosis. Of course she was in pain, handled it like a trooper and since her condition was deemed not life threatening, the evacuation from Cabo was an Alaskan Airlines flight home. Thank goodness it was not more than that.

    A more acute diagnosis, for instance, heart trouble. Let’s say chest pain sometimes indicative of a Myocardial Infarction, classic heart attack. If controlled with medication but requiring a visit to a Heart Cath Lab for Angiography, what then? I’m curious where would that be available, how close to San Lucas would you need to be and who would do the rescue, the Med Evac, with nurse or doctor to monitor you and care for you on the way to a hospital? And when and how will you be transported to some place stateside like Scripps, San Diego? A place where family can visit and see to whatever comes next. What if? Questions to be asked and answered.

    If you have a travel insurance plan, as I do, check with your agent for these and other possibilities on your trip. What, other than trip cancellation is covered? My plan is an annual one with $5,000 of trip cancellation coverage. More importantly, there’s $250,000 coverage for Med Evac. Worthwhile discussion, bearing consideration. The plan I have cost less than $500 for the year, 1/1-12-31/18.
     
  9. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    Some 30+ years have passed since the event witnessed by Craig.
    I’d like to know who has the answers to what is current protocol.
     
  10. Bill W

    Bill W tunaholic

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  11. freegaff2

    freegaff2 Well-Known "Member"

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    Steve, in '87 CG flew to San Diego, ambulance met plane, and transported to Scripps. I have a feeling that getting the CG involved is not that hard to do(part of their mission). Supreme website has a video of a helicopter dustoff, and it seems you hear about one or two every year out of Mexican waters. Even without a doctor's diagnosis on board, I think the CG takes the word of a licensed captain as being valid. To me the problem seems to be getting some consistency out of Mexico. Maybe the hang up is that they don't want a "military" flight in to Socorro, but allow private med evac with no problem. If true, your insurance will be golden, and I will have it myself. It's not knowing why on the denial that is the puzzler...that can be worked around if we know.
     
  12. Brass_Slacks

    Brass_Slacks Well-Known "Member"

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    The airstrip at Socorro isn't public, it's part of the Mexican Naval station which means use is completely at the discretion of Mexican authorities. It would be fair to say that due to a laundry list of reasons the use of the airstrip is limited to life threatening emergencies.
     
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  13. Pangamaster

    Pangamaster Cow Town Here I come!

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    Hey Donna,
    Glad you made it home safely and on the mend. Scary stuff for sure!
     
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  14. Tunacolada

    Tunacolada Tony

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    With my 10 trip coming up this fall can anyone make recommendations for trip insurance, would like to cover gear, trip cancelation, and would like Med Vac insurance as well. Glad everything turned out okay. Thanks in advance.

    Tony
     
  15. Steve K

    Steve K Hey, I'm gettin' bit...

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    I see a number of boats recommending Travel Guard 800-826-4919

    I went with Allianz from Bob Dawson in the San Diego area, (La Mesa)
    He can be reached at 619-460-5615. Suggested by Royal Star and American Angler.
     
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  16. Yellowtail Dan

    Yellowtail Dan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Donna, glad you made it home safe and are on the mend. In the end that's what matters the most. Get well and get back on the rail soon
     
  17. reellady

    reellady I'd rather be catching TUNA

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    I use the same company. Last November I ended up in hospital 6 days before departure. They reimbursed entire trip cost.

    On this trip, the boat crew went through my wallet and found my insurance card. They were called and have been in contact on a regular basis regarding my health issues. Great company to deal with. The coast guard has also been in contact with me on a regular basis. I am good hands. All is well. When I arrived in Cabo, I was breathing better and I personally elected to fly home than to be admitted into a Mexican hospital. Turned out to be a wise decision on my part.
     
  18. DC61

    DC61 Well-Known "Member"

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    I spent 30 years on the fire department and am still licensed as a paramedic. When I go on a trip, I go through the boat's first aid supplies so I can become familiar with them and serve as the medical specialist on the trip.
    I conduct the first aid training and have placed several AEDs on the long range boats.

    While at Hurricane bank about 12 years ago, I coordinated the evacuation of a patient who had a heart attack. I brought with me IV setups and Nitroglycerine and treated the patient.

    I called the Coast Guard and spoke to the flight surgeon. I explained the patient's condition and he said that the patient should be seen when the boat returned to port. I told the flight surgeon that he would not be alive when the boat returned to port. He told me that I didn't realize what I was asking the Coast Guard to do. I made it clear to him that the patient needed to be evacuated. Reluctantly, the flight surgeon agreed and the wheels were put into motion.

    The CG they launched a C130 from Moffit Field. Two paramedics parachuted out of the plane with their gear into the water. The crew picked the medics up in a skiff. They took over treatment of the patient until we could get close enough for a Blackhawk helicopter to do a litter pick off the back deck.

    The patient arrived back to San Diego 36 hours after he suffered the heart attack. He was in surgery within 30 minutes of the time he landed. He had a 90% occlusion of two of his coronary arteries. Miraculously he met the boat at the dock when we arrived home 8 days later. Sad part of the story is he died six months later from an unrelated illness.

    With my experience, I would like to weigh in on this case. Please consider that this is my clinical recommendation and it is not my intent to offend anyone, just to shed some light on the medical side of the decision making process. I am sure some may disagree with my assessment.

    I can tell you that if I were on the RR trip, I would NOT have recommended a flight for the patient (sorry Donna). From I am reading here, the patient's condition would not justify logistics and the expense of an evacuation (please keep in mind that I made a great deal of similar decisions throughout my FD career when it came to flying a trauma patient in a helicopter).

    The patient describes a significant amount of pain. This is to be expected with rib fractures. As a previous poster pointed out, there is a risk/concern of a tension pneumothorax (when a fractured lung pierces the sack around the lung and puts pressure on the lung and ultimately collapsing it). I am surprised to hear that the boat had oxygen on board, at least in the quantity of a sustained O2 administration. Most cylinders that are found on a boat may last 30 minutes to an hour, depending on the flow rate. I am also surprised (pleased) that the boat had a machine on board to read the O2 level in the patient's blood.

    While the patient was in significant pain, the key element in this case is whether or not she had diminishing lung sounds on one side. This would indicate a pneumothorax. While she did day the breathing became worse after a couple of days, that's to be expected due to the trauma of the incident.

    There is no doubt that the patient would have benefitted from a medical evaluation as soon as possible, the economics and logistics play a great part in this scenario. I do not fault the crew on Clarion for not allowing a flight. I would hope that in a more serious event this would be an option.

    Donna, I am glad you are ok and that everything worked out for you. I have always enjoyed your posts. I hope to fish with you one day! I commend the crew of the RR3 for making Donna's injury a priority and doing the right thing.
     
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  19. Artois

    Artois Well-Known "Member"

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    Hat's off for the passengers as well. Have not seen one post about lost fishing time. Personal health trumps fishing time always. Glad all went well and kuddo's to all involved.
     
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  20. CaptJgray

    CaptJgray I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    It seems easy to play Monday morning quarterback, and the info given by Paul DC61 is great. I think my biggest question that comes from this is why isn't something already established?

    You would think that the owners/operators would already have a plan in place. It seems that with the number of boats and trips every year into foreign waters that this scenario has had to have been discussed numerous times. After all, its the ocean and shit can go sideways. Im very surprised that there isn't an established SOP.

    I have heard a lot of great things about DANN (insurance for divers), I wonder how hard it would be for the Owners/Operators to have a membership that covers the vessel. How many people from out of town that fish long range know that in a medical emergency they may be at the mercy of band aids, neosporin, and a 36 hour trip to Cabo?
     

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