So I was recommended to get a spinning outfit...

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  1. SalmonidDave

    SalmonidDave 9' or higher only.15' two handed is way fun!

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    I purchased an okuma pch 761H which is a 50-80# rod. I am planning on pairing it with a penn conquer 8000. Which holds about 400ish yds of 50#. Do I need to "Suck it Up buttercup!" and eat the cost of ANOTHER reel?

    (I kinda dont want to do this as I JUST spent a couple of hours re-learning how to disengage the auto bail trip on my penn conquer)
     
  2. esgeo

    esgeo Well-Known "Member"

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    I have one of those rods and have only fished it once (with a Saltist 6500 w 80# braid). It is a solid stick for fish up to and maybe slightly over 100#. I personally think you are limiting the rod by fishing with 50# backing, and would at least switch out your reel to 65# braid. You just can’t pull that hard with 50#, and it is that much thinner if your fish is ever putting you in a situation where your line is rubbing against the boat. You can easily pull 20-25# of drag with that rod and still have some backbone, so stepping up the line strength will have you more balanced. I’d fish 4-6’ of 60-80# leader tied right to the braid. It’s ok if your knot is in the guides when you are casting (assuming you are casting something artificial with enough mass to load the rod). Hope that is a helpful opinion.
     
  3. SalmonidDave

    SalmonidDave 9' or higher only.15' two handed is way fun!

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    Its got about 300 yds of 80# right now. Can I button it down and just destroy my back? Would you go to war with that much/little line? You have.......Fuck it. Im not gonna but a 10k size reel

     
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    hucklongfin Deep release specialist

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    I have a Saragosa 10k which is about the same size as the Conquer 8000. I have 400 yds of 65# Maxcuatro on it and fish with an 80# leader for popping. Keep in mind that spinners don’t get as much drag as advertised... the drag is measured with a basically empty spool, not a full spool.
     
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    esgeo Well-Known "Member"

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    I think you are fine with that reel. I’d get one of the little yellow “cushit” end caps so you can brace the rod but on your waist (or get a small belt) and set your drag somewhere around 15# and just be ready to button down for a bigger fish. It’s probably worth watching some video of how people fish popping rods because it’s a lot different style than conventional. You can get a fish to the boat pretty quick if you know how to play it.
     
  6. SalmonidDave

    SalmonidDave 9' or higher only.15' two handed is way fun!

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    Do you use a breakaway casting aid?
     
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    tunanorth I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    It should be noted that although the Conquer was a very nice reel for its time, it has been discontinued for about 8 years. Spinning reel technology has been advancing rapidly; if you are set on an 8000-ish size, the Slammer III series is a very good choice.
     
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    No. My casting aid is the index finger on my gloved right hand. I fish from long range boats with the 4' leader tied to the spectra with the popper/stick bait tied to the leader. That's it.
     
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    If using hollow core with nubs and nail knots for the connection (had great results casting with 2-3 rod lengths of top shot), there is no knot to hit the guides going out.

    Also, make sure all the HT-100's are greased...preferably with Cal's.
     
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    i would get the penn clash or the penn slammer 3
    i have a clash 8000 its a beast of a reel i fish for shark
    with my clash have it paired up with a uc gt surf rod
     
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    Cubeye I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I use one. Works well for me.
     
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    Quantum Cabo 80 is a bad ass reel for a great price. Pair it with a 8’ rod and you are set.
     
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    hucklongfin Deep release specialist

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    Are you using it for surf casting or for general purposes off boats too?
     
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    Cubeye I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Off the boats. Poppers, stick baits, jerk baits, spoons, and surface iron like Salas 7X. The heavier the jig, the more I use it. The lighter jigs don't dig into your finger when you cast as much.

    I don't use it at all for surf fishing. 1/2 to 1 oz jigs don't bother me.
     
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    300 yards of 80# is a LOT of line. And you have a decent rod. Recognize the setup for what it is capable of and you will be fine. I fish a heavier outfit and I still don't cast into the very rare situation where BIG tuna are foaming. You wouldn't go to Africa with your typical deer rifle. I figure anything under a hundred pounds is fair game, which is 99% of the situations that you will find yourself in.

    And don't be afraid to really pull on that rod. I see guys all of the time who try to fight fish with a rod under their arm. You have almost no leverage that way.
     
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    I like spinners for 25lb and under - especially for casting live bait (sardines anchovies) - I believe quality drag systems and proper maintenance (and fishing good technique) eliminate the argument

    moreover, if I could afford Stellas and new rods I would add a couple heavy spinner rigs for castability of poppers and live bait - Billy K and Cyril both fish heavy spinners

    my last trip on the San Diego (150 small yellowtail for 30 on the boat) I was on the stern with a fish on all 25# mono using a Shimano Baitrunner 6500b tangled up in someone's black braid and someone else's mono and a deckhand made an off-color comment about my coffee grinder as he cut all three of us off and handlined my YT to the rail

    personally I think my "coffee grinder" 8lbs drag (carbon fiber and cals grease upgrades) and Grafighter 700L were more than up to the task and my bait and fish were always out in front of me

    on this trip the deckhands had plenty of stern hogs glued to 'their' spots, those fishing bait sideways with loose lines, those not following their fish, those fishing yoyo and surface jigs on the stern with the wind in their faces - yet one decided to go after my spinner...

    MY POINT: the old quality spinner Vs conventional reel arguments seem far more dependent on those who know how to fish alongside others - and being respectful
     
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    pacificscout Hey! You got any frozen ice?

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    Move bitch!! Follow your line!!!
     
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    geebee My Member is Well-Known

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    Great idea for a tshirt... got any others?

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    Personally for that application I would suggest a Okuma PCH 8ft. 50-80# matched with a Fathom 25N 2 speed lever drag. This setup should cover anything from large island yellows to nice tuna offshore.
     
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    I have a Penn spinfisher v 10500 with 80 lb braid that would go good with your rod. I am in SFV too. let me know if you are interested.
     

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