Shooting Sealions? NOT COOL!

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Potential Methods for Deterring Pacific Harbor Seals, California Sea Lions, Northern Fur Seals, Eastern U.S. Stock of Steller
Sea Lions, & Northern Elephant Seals
GENERAL INFORMATION:
Updated October 2018

• The Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA) generally prohibits the harassment, hunting, capturing, or killing of marine mammals, or any attempt to engage in such activities. However, Section 101(a)(4) of the MMPA allows for the non-lethal deterrence of nuisance animals under certain circumstances. For more information, see 101(a)(4).
• When attempting to deter these animals, you are not allowed to seriously injure or kill them (e.g. no open wounds, avoid impact to the animals’ eyes and face, avoid blunt force trauma and aiming pyrotechnics directly at animals, etc).
• These “Potential Methods” are not “approved” deterrence methods by NOAA Fisheries. They are examples of methods that are known to have been effective at deterring pinnipeds in the past.

Methods to Avoid:
The following methods/devices have an increased likelihood of causing injury or death and should be avoided.
• No Firearms with “live” (lethal) ammunition (including metallic, glass, or sharp projectiles: e.g. BBs, marbles) • No Devices with Injurious Projectiles (e.g., archery gear, crossbows, spear guns, bangsticks)
• No Sharp/Pointed Objects (e.g., harpoons, spears, gaffs, nail studded bats/poles/clubs/docks)
• No Entangling Devices (e.g., loose webbing, snares, concertina wire)
• No Aggressive Tactile Methods (e.g., striking animals with bats, hammers, etc.; impact with vehicles or boats) • No Tainted Baits or Poisons
• No Guard Dogs


Potential Methods for Private Property Owners:
Barriers & Exclusion Devices:
• fencing (e.g., plastic construction/snow fence, chain link), closely spaced posts
• bull rails
• electric livestock fencing • netting
• swim step protector
Noise Makers:
• horns, whistles, bells
• music
• clapping, banging pots, pans, drums; empty
aluminum cans on a string banging together • electronic acoustic devices (Acoustic
Harassment Devices)
• starter pistols
• pyrotechnics (e.g., bird screamers, bangers,
firecrackers, propane canons) (there are municipal and state ordinances managing the use and possession of these products)
Visual Repellents:
• flags, pinwheels, or streamers • flashing lights or strobes
• human attendants/monitors

Physical Contact:
• high or low pressure water hoses • sprinklers, sprayers
• crowder boards
• bull poles (blunt tip), brooms
• cattle prod (these products produce only a mild electric shock designed for handling livestock and are in no way related to “stun guns” designed for self-defense)
• toy water guns (e.g., “Super Soaker©”)
• non-toxic and water soluble paint ball or air soft guns (no
metallic/glass/sharp projectiles)
• slingshot (no metallic/glass/sharp projectiles)
• chemical irritants (e.g., non-toxic pepper spray, mace) used for
animal control (note: there are municipal and state ordinances managing the use and possession of these irritants)
Visual Repellents/Noise Makers:
• boat hazing, circling
• pounding on hull
• horns, bells, whistles
• pyrotechnics (e.g., bird screamers, bangers,
Physical Contact:
• Slingshots (no metallic/glass/sharp projectiles) • non-toxic and water soluble paint ball guns
• non-lethal ammunition (e.g., rubber bullets)
Additional Potential Methods for Fisherman:
underwater firecrackers, cracker shells)

If you have questions about protecting your property and/or fishing gear and catch from nuisance pinnipeds, please
contact our marine mammal specialists located in Seattle, WA (Lynne Barre, 206-526-4745); in Portland, OR (Robert Anderson, 503-231-2226); and in Long Beach, CA (Penny Ruvelas, 562-980-4197 or Laura McCue, 562-980-3232).
 

jbl_91762

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^^^Thank you very much for posting this. Im a new boat owner and found some of the things allowed very interesting...a few I thought would not be allowed but according to this, it is. Its a new year and things may have changed, time for some more research.
 

madrugador

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Fuck that and fuck these things . Once one grabs you almost pulls you out of your boat you will feel different(this happened to me a few weeks ago). They are way over populated and need to be shot. Although i dont shoot them ...this is the way i feel . I do paintball them if they get near me .
 
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af dreamer

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I have had way too many trips at Cat where they got EVERY fish we hooked.They have even learned how to eat calicos.They dont take them when bringing them in,they now wait for you to release them so they can grab them and turn them around to swallow them head first.Tom
 
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SouthBayKiller

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The MMPA needs to be rewritten or adjusted. The point of it was to allow for recovery and protection of populations, not the overpopulation and degradation of the rest of marine environment. Look at what’s happening in the PNW with the Endangered Salmon. The MMPA at the very least should have considerations for delisting and establishment of common sense management when populations are at historically high levels.
 

MYNomad

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Fuck that and fuck these things . They are way over populated and need to be shot.
They are out of control, and once again governmental regulation is making things worse. And it literally takes an act of Congress (good luck) to get it fixed. Even so, the law must be respected, even stupid laws. On top of that, shooting with a pellet gun is not only unsportsmanlike, it is inhumane. But I don't see anything inherently immoral about shooting a seal. Criminal laws prohibit various acts -- you can't murder people and you can't drive on the left side of the street (in the US). Some of the things that are prohibited inherently bad even without the law saying so. For example, murder is inherently bad. Laws that prohibit inherently bad behavior are called "malum in se", while other laws prohibit behavior that is not inherently bad -- the behavior is bad only because it is prohibited. Those are malum prohibitum laws. Driving on the left side of the street isn't inherently bad, it is bad only because we have rule prohibiting in in order to provide for safety and efficiency.
PETA types may feel that shooting a seal, even humanely, is malum in se. (Although if they saw a bunch of out of control seals gathered to eat endangered salmon, they might feel differently.) When the OP said shooting seals "isn't cool", I hope he (and those who agreed with him) wasn't suggesting that shooting seals is inherently bad. IMO, the seal problem is inherently bad, and disrespecting the law isn't cool, but there is nothing inherently bad about humanely and safely shooting a seal. The law should be changed.
 
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I still don’t understand the mismanagement. There isn’t an overpopulation of bears, yet problem bears are still “removed”.

What’s the difference? A big one. Sea lions are climbing to crazy population levels and no longer behave naturally because of it. They seek out humans rather than do what sea lions should, naturally fear us.
 
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One_Leg

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Somebody, somewhere, would love to eat these things.

It isn't right to protect these mammals. Just because they have hair, breathe air, and nurse their young like us humans doesn't earn them the right to wreak havoc on the other species out there.

Sea Lion burritos, tortas, tacos, burgers, gyros.
Canned Sea Lion, smoked Sea Lion, popcorn Sea Lion, Sea Lion gumbo, deep fried Sea Lion, flambeed Sea Lion, friccasseed Sea Lion.

That's just for starters.

Prisoner feed?

Hakapik sales would go through the roof!!!

I believe there would be at least 2 decades worth of harvesting. At least grind them up for Kelp Bass or Halibut feed.

I think they are kinda neat, in limited numbers only. Some of my best dives were amongst groups of Sea Lions.
 

billa

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OK butterfly, we won't hurt a hair on their cute little bodies.......Bring it in guys, "group hug"!
 
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SouthBayKiller

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I still don’t understand the mismanagement. There isn’t a overpopulation or bears yet problem bears are still “removed”.

What’s the difference? A big one. Sea lions are climbing to crazy population levels and no longer behave naturally because of it. They seek out humans rather than do what sea lions should, naturally fear us.
That is basically the rational thing to do. The problem isnt sea lions, I personally think they are an awesome wild animal. But blurring the lines between a wild animal and a furry friend with a human's name has created an issue where they are treated like humans (better in many cases when you look at the homelessness issues going on currently) and less like a wild animal. Its gone so far that we have given them legal protections higher than you would give a human, i.e. if a human sank your boat you could at least have legal protection from that (you cant take a seal to court) and could also defend your property (you could likely go much further than a cow prod if a human jumped on your boat in the middle of the night). The shootings I see as a reaction to the frustrations with the law that were written without these nuisances being considered.