Shogun Tyler Rich RP knot vs John Collins version

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  1. craigen

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    Anybody have any feedback on these different ways of tying the RP knot? Shogun video version has more tight wraps and is seated by sliding wraps toward end loop then wrapping spectra tag around something for final tension. And it seems to matter how the tag exits the loop.
     
  2. Wendell Fox

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    Yes I would be interested in different methods to tie the RP knot as well? It's easy to tie but disappointed it pulled out on a nice fish. I'm thinking I didn't cinch down the tag end hard enough. I used the Shogun video version.
     
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    I tie this knot exclusively and used it up to 130#. The devil is in the details. Do your back wraps cross perfectly and symmetrically or not, do you use the same number of wraps both up and down, do you line up the flouro parallel like a double barrel, and do you pull it using pullers or by hand? All of these things matter in my experience and I have not broken one in the water (but I have with pullers on the boat when it wasn't done perfectly ).

    The cinching down to me has to be done in steps. First all tag ends get pulled evenly. Next I trim down the two unused pieces (not too short on the spectra, leave a 1/2") now pull the two mains hard. You'll be surprised how much the spectra starts pulling into the knot. Sometimes that 1/2" becomes less than a 1/4" when using pullers. Trim flouro all the way to the knot, leave 1/8" on the spectra and you are done. I used 6 turns on 100# and got a 360# yellowfin. It works.

    Added...the spectra exits the loop in the same direction.
     
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    whats the difference? cant fin a video on the Tyler Rich RP
     
  5. Steve K

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    Shogun website, scroll to the bottom for Crew Tips. He’s using the handle of his pliers to pull the standing end of the spectra, not the tag end. Looks like about 9 wraps up and down and very close together.
     
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    Thank's I checked it out, makes me want to be out there! I tie mine similar but double the spectra
     
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  7. surfgoose

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    When Jimmy Albright invented the knot back in the 1930's he used twenty wraps up and another 20 back down to make a Chinese finger-trap knot that would connect Dacron to the fly fishing leaders he was using. All of the dozens of variations that have been promoted since then all have the same principle no matter how the numbers of turns vary. And fishermen have a rich and long-standing tradition of making a slight adjustment to something and re-naming it. No big deal. I saw the knot called "the Alberto" on a U-Tube video recently. I had to laugh.

    Like Kevin said in his first paragraph, you need to take a bit of care in the basic details. Line the mono or fluoro legs up parallel in your hand, wrap the braid down leaving a little bit of space between the wraps so that the wraps going back up toward the reel can sit in those spaces, put the braid back through the same way that it started so that you have a little half-circle of mono across the top, and pull evenly and steadily and finally HARD to cinch the knot. I leave the legs of the mono until after the cinch because on any mono or fluoro over 40 pounds test I use a tape-wrapped wooden dowel to wrap the plastic line around and pull hard, locking down the reel spool at the same time with my other hand. After I'm satisfied with the knot, at that point I trim the tags on both sides of the knot. The number of turns is higher with smaller lines, just as with almost any kind of knot. But five or six down and an equal amount back is all that you need for 90% of the connections you will make. Not many people connect very light braid to heavy mono, or vice-versa.
     
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    Instead of making my own tape wrapped wooden dowels to tighten my knots, I bought some tighteners from [email protected]. Try Google using "fishing knot puller" and eBay has his tighteners. You can test your knots before the big really fish tests your knot. Don't forget to wet your line before pulling.
     
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    3/4 Schedule 40 PVC cut to desired length with shrink wrap also works well
     
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    Purchased wooden dowels and wrapped them with non-gloss duck tape. Works great. $7 for 36inch dowel can make several pullers.
     
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    I used my partners finger as a puller....... He only let me do that once though.
     
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    ripped I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Cubeye I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    The best video, that I've seen, of the knot you are interested in is this one:


    Call it whatever you want to. I've given up on trying to tell people that it's a Modified Albright or Crazy Alberto Knot. Give credit to whomever you wish. If you don't like this one, Google "Modified Albright" or "Crazy Alberto Knot" on Youtube.
     
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    That's my boy!
     

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