Senator 4/0 for yo-yo

[NukeDawg]

I'd like to fish my 113h for Yo-Yo. It currently has a jvariance aluminum, narrow frame.

Is there anything else i'd need to make it capable for 40lb yo-yo?

i've seen some posts about drag stacks and internals, but it seems the cost of those would suggest its better to buy something else. Is there an inexpensive, must-have upgrade?

thanks!

 

[OnoEric]

If you put in a 4:1 gear set, you’d have a true Yellowtail Special. That’s a reel designed exactly to be a 40 lb yo-yo reel. Add some Cal’s grease to your drag stack if you’ve got a 5-stack with HT-100 carbon fiber washers, or consider upgrading to a 7-stack. I’ve got a Newelled YTS and get 21 lbs of smooth drag out of the greased 5-stack HT-100, so I don’t think an upgrade to the 7-stack is totally necessary.

Starting from scratch, you’d be better off buying something different if price is an issue. But since you’ve already got the tricked out 113H, the upgrades aren’t much more money.

The other option is to sell that reel and use those funds to go buy yourself a Baja Special (was 113HN, now US113N) or a FTH40NLD2 to use as a yo-yo reel.

 

[NukeDawg]

Anyone know best place to get the 4.1 gears and drag stack?

 

[sdfishkiller]

down the rabbit hole.....

www.alantani.com

 

[swami 805]

Google pro challenger, I'd post a link if I knew how,haha. The new SS gear set he sells comes with drag washers. Those are the best gears out there.

 

[Amadeus]

Google pro challenger, I'd post a link if I knew how,haha. The new SS gear set he sells comes with drag washers. Those are the best gears out there.

Here you go:
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16144.90
https://www.ebay.com/str/Black-Pearl-Fishing-Tackle

 

[NukeDawg]

Here you go:
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16144.90
https://www.ebay.com/str/Black-Pearl-Fishing-Tackle

Appreciate the links. If it’s $80 for just the gears then I guess it just doesn’t make economic sense. I don’t get the market for these parts compared to buying new/used torium 20 as an example.

 

[hucklongfin]

By the time you add a frame, sideplates, gears, yoke, bridge, sleeve, handle, bearings, etc all that's left of the original is the name and a big hole in your wallet.

 

[OnoEric]

Anyone know best place to get the 4.1 gears and drag stack?

https://www.mysticparts.com/Custom/ProChallenger/P316113H401.aspx

Or search around for a used set. I found a set of 4:1 gears from a Pro Gear 454 that worked in my narrow 113H for $30. Alan Tani's website is a great resource. You may ask there if anyone has a gear set they're willing to part with for a good price.

Don't let people scare you. You don't necessarily need all those other upgrades (immediately or ever). Pro Challenger recommends a stainless gear sleeve because the stainless gear set is a lot stronger than the stock brass gear set, so it will handle a lot more drag. But if you're using the reel as a 40 lb yo-yo reel, you're still fishing it within the original Penn designed specs, so the stock gear sleeve won't be a problem. Though you'd probably want to put a stainless yoke in, since the stainless gears will eventually destroy the brass yoke.

Or, like I said, sell your current reel and buy something that already meets your needs out of the box... Depends on how much you enjoy tinkering with reels.

 

[wils]

Fish bit the yo-yo on that reel before the upgrades came along. Clean up what you have and use it.

The Torium maxes @ 40#
The 113H is a solid 40#. Buy the 4:1 gears and have them installed when the reel is fully serviced.

 

[NukeDawg]

Good feedback. Sounds like I’ll look for something already appropriate and sell what I have unless I come across a deal.

 

[Amadeus]

The "upgrade" path is rarely about about making economic sense; it's more about being off the beaten path and having something different, which, BTW, was already achieved with the narrow JVariance parts.

1/3 of 40lb is 13.33lb; something that the factory internals can output. Setting the drag from top of spool to 12lb with the rod and guides imparting the remaining 1.33 lbs or so gets you to the 1/3-rule, so wils is spot on in his post.

The upgraded stainless 4:1 gears is not an absolute must but if you happen to come across a set at an acceptable price to you, get it then. I picked up a used Tiburon P16 for $19 after years of looking and refusing to pay $65 for a new one.

 

[swami 805]

You could spend as much on your 4/0 on a new reel in the blink of an eye. Once you upgrade one thing you start chasing the next weakest link. You can get a ton of drag that’s not usable because you’ll break something else.
The upside is if you enjoy screwing around with reels it is entertaining and you’re fishing with something you pretty much built for you. Plus you don’t need a degree in engineering to work on a 4/0
I spend stupid money doing exactly that because I enjoy it. Makes no sense at all really

 

[NukeDawg]

I just want to fish. I’ve got plenty to learn on that front. I guess the unique 4/0 is no longer relevant. I’ll keep looking.

 

[swami 805]

Check out the 113 n Baja special. Great yoyo reel and a ton of bag for your buck

 

[Day0ne]

Pro Challenger has his own website:

https://squareup.com/market/pro-challenger-llc

 

[MikeyLikesIt]

another interesting tidbit on this subject: 2 speed reel is completely unnecessary for this application.......even though my favorite yoyo reel is a 2 speed, I never shift to low. Remember that the first 15-30 seconds is where the battle is won or lost, and you don't want to mess around with shifting at this critical point in the fight.

......I wonder how I know this?

 

[NukeDawg]

i can't even recall why i installed the jvariance frame. its been a while. For those that have used a stock 4/0 for yo-yo...

do you have to wind ridiculously fast? or is it reasonable?

 

[NukeDawg]

Also, just saw this: https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/new-hxj-4-2-blowout-sale.712768/

better than a 4/0 with upgraded drags and SS internals?

 

[hucklongfin]

Also, just saw this: https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/new-hxj-4-2-blowout-sale.712768/

better than a 4/0 with upgraded drags and SS internals?

Yes... unless you dump $300+ into the 4/0!

 

[NukeDawg]

Yes... unless you dump $300+ into the 4/0!

Fathom 40NLD2 or HXJ 4.2?

 

[hucklongfin]

Fathom 40NLD2 or HXJ 4.2?

The HXJ but I'd probably take the 40NLD2 over the HXJ. You can find a 40NLD2 for what they want for the HXJ. I yoyo with a JX 6/3 or 25NLD2 with 40#, JX Raptor or Saltiga 40ld2 w/50# and an HX Raptor w/60#.

 

[maurice escobedo]

I love my 4/0 and have fished it stock for the past 20 years. Proper services and it’s good to go.
I, like another poster, like to tinker with my older reels so myself, if need be, will upgrade this reel when the time comes.
I was on a tuna trip last year and this cat fished nothing but old school penn reels. 4/0, a jig master, and a squider, and decked nice grade fish with all of them.
They’re great reels and have been landing fish for decades.
Just my .5 cents

 

[NukeDawg]

I love my 4/0 and have fished it stock for the past 20 years. Proper services and it’s good to go.
I, like another poster, like to tinker with my older reels so myself, if need be, will upgrade this reel when the time comes.
I was on a tuna trip last year and this cat fished nothing but old school penn reels. 4/0, a jig master, and a squider, and decked nice grade fish with all of them.
They’re great reels and have been landing fish for decades.
Just my .5 cents

do you have to wind ridiculously fast on a stock 4/0 to catch yo-yo fish?

 

[maurice escobedo]

If I’m only counting on the winding then yes but yo yo is yo yo you know? I just deal with it.