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So I'm a shopper. Always looking at boats and tackle. Now looking hard a guns.
But this post is about the strong following that Seeker Rods has.
Why? I'm a Sabre guy and that was the best when I got serious into gear.
Now I've seen all the composite rod companies that have popped up in tha last 7 years or so.
Sabre went away and the guys moved there talent to Calstar. I have a few and have sold a few. But not attached to them like my Sabres. Then came along Seeker I assume the guys from Calstar move over to Seeker.
Seeker had a crazy loyal resale market and many hard to find Unicorns.
I even just found and an having built a SS 2X4 Tangerine. I'm going to have Bank$$$$ into before its done , but wanted to get an official Rail Rod to go with my Mac 30.
In my search I found this groups of very passionate and loyal Seeker guys.
So why? What about then makes them desirable?

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You should post this in the fishing chit chat forum and you'll get a ton of responses
You aren't really selling or buying a rod or reel so you are really in the wrong forum and it's kinda unfair to the people selling to have this question posted here bumping their ads off the page....with that being said before this gets moved
I like Seeker rods...the originals more than the new ones and I liked Sabre rods and still do.....the Chocolates, Cinnamon's and the bright yellow S glass and and the list goes on and on.
More than anything I think people are starting to appreciate the older makes and the glass, the glass, the glass.....something very special about the bend and feel in a good glass rod....I would describe it like this because it's a nirvana valhalla type thing....."trying to trace the fine line between God and Physics....not quite there but not here either"

That's just me....I'm sure others have a more logical or technical reason but how fun is that ?
 
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I started fishing almost 25 years ago and it seemed that then most of the serious anglers were loyal Calstar guys. From what I could tell, there were two main reasons: 1) Calstar rods tended to fish the higher end of their ratings while Seeker fished the lower end--example: a "670" model rod rated 25-40# would fish 30# best if it was a Calstar and 25# if it was a Seeker. To many, that meant Calstar was stronger and better. To me, it was no different than that for some shirts I wore a "medium" size and some I wore a "large"----just find a shirt that you like and wear it. 2) The Calstar owner/operator, Leon Todd, had an excellent reputation, especially for quality control.

I had rods from both Calstar and Seeker. I liked the Seeker Black Steel series especially for bait because they had a softer fiberglass tip and a composite lower body. I liked the Calstar for yoyo because it was composite from butt to tip and I felt the stiffer tip helped drive the hook into the fish's mouth. Later on, I liked the Super Seeker rods because they also had a softer tip and stronger butt and seemed to transfer less pressure to my back, although they were relatively heavy.

As for now, some of the prices I've seen here for Seeker rods seem crazy. I don't think that the rods are better, just more unusal colors and "limited editions" that appeal to collectors and afficionados. I'm neither; I'm a fisherman, and try to find the right rod for me for a given purpose.
 
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Seeker has been around for quite awhile. For me anyway I've always liked composites and they filled the void after Contender went away. Calstar started composites a bit later I think with the GX series. The thing about Seeker is the wide variety of different glass,graphite, colors and what have you is what drives the interest. Calstar has used the same tried and true material so a rod you bought 25 years ago is pretty much the same as you'd buy today.
Sabre's are nice too, I'm a fan of the grafast series, I think my favorite light bait rod is a 220 grafast and a 540 grafast is a thing of beauty. I also have a Calstar GX9,it's right up there with the Sabre 220.Sabre's can get pricey too, some big dollars in some of those
Like everything almost scarcity drives the market. Is a CEX really that much better than a black steel? Like a $1000 better?
 
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The Seeker rods just look better! That is the main reason why I bought them. I couldn't afford to get a custom rod made. The next reason I bought seeker is the guy who got me into fishing said CALSTAR rods will hurt your back... Looking around I only saw young guys fishing CALSTAR.

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I don't know the history behind Seeker and I really don't care but it just seems as of lately most of what Seeker has been doing is supercharging their marketing machine and creating limited runs of absolutely everything creating their own hype, hysteria and desirability. Seems like the guys that have the Seekers especially the older ones need a conversation piece to justify the $1000 bill they just dropped.. and I'm not about that. Calstar just keeps their head down nose to the grindstone and just turns out quality products with no flash or uncertainty about what your buying. When was the last time you saw bickering about a Calstar? I didn't have my feelings about Seeker untill I came here but there is so much bullshit and fighting about color, LB or OC made, cex, limited runs of 12.. blah blah blah...it completely turned me off to them now....But what do I know it's just my opinion
 
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I would think if some of these Seeker rods were so great they would continue producing them.Do they purposely do limited runs to create a frenzy over their product and price it accordingly ? I have quite a few Seekers,most are older.Nothing about them excites me.The one rod i have that i really don't understand the desire for is a Green glass PH36.Sure it works,but doesn't feel like anything special to me.My Truline 36 feels much better.None of the Seekers i have did i pay ridiculous money for,they were all very cheap.My Calstar's,Sabre's and even a couple of my Roddy's feel better in my hands.
 
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Seeker makes a lot of different rods and almost all of them are very good rods. The rumor that always went around was that when Sabre went out of business Seeker got all of the mandrels. Their E glass rods like the Classic series are almost identical to the original Sabre rods. I have several Seeker E glass rods including a couple of 270H's and 670's that I use all the time.
The Black Steel rods were another series of rods which were very good. I have several including two of the Grabrowski special 6470H's which have caught a lot of big YFT at Guadalupe.
The Long Beach SuperSeeker rods are some of my favorite rods. The intricate guide wraps on the LB SuperSeekers are absolutely beautiful and the rods have a really nice action. The new SuperSeekers don't have the fancy wraps like the Long Beach rods but the blanks are still very nice. I picked up a SS CJBF 80XH at the Fred Hall Show and it is a very nice blank. I wrapped it with Pro Wrap #343 underwrap then gold and black overwraps and it looks very similar to the original Long Beach rods.
Seeker also came out the the Pinhead series of rods and again they are very good rods. I have several of the PH 36 rods and they are a couple of my favorite rods.
Seeker continued to come out with new rod designs and their OSP rods are excellent rods. I have a couple of OSP 1X3 blanks I built and they are excellent rods for fishing Guadalupe. Also their SSR rods are great rods. I have a SSR 6550 and I use it all the time at Guadalupe for 50lb line and it has caught a lot of fish.
Seeker has all of these excellent rods not to mention all of the 9' and 10' jig rods and all the different colors that the collectors go crazy for. I was at the Seeker parking lot sale a few months ago and there was a ton of people in line an hour before they opened. Right now there is just a lot of interest in Seeker rods and the demand is driving the prices up. I see green Pinhead blanks selling for more than the original rod sold for. I'm still a Sabre guy but the Seekers are a close second. I'm not going to pay some of the crazy prices for a blank that some people are asking but if a SS CJBF 80XH comes up at a fair price I will definitely grab it.
 
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I’ve fished calstars since I’ve been in LA (5ish years) and have been satisfied. So much so last year I offloaded all of my factory wrapped rods and had a custom run wrapped. They are solid, work as advertised, and I’ve got tons of confidence in them.

I’ve been watching the Seeker hype too and decided to fill my 9’ jig stick void with a WTS 7x that seems to be a fan favorite. Only time will tell if I stick with it but I also didn’t invest $500 in it either so...
 
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You should post this in the fishing chit chat forum and you'll get a ton of responses
You aren't really selling or buying a rod or reel so you are really in the wrong forum and it's kinda unfair to the people selling to have this question posted here bumping their ads off the page....with that being said before this gets moved
I like Seeker rods...the originals more than the new ones and I liked Sabre rods and still do.....the Chocolates, Cinnamon's and the bright yellow S glass and and the list goes on and on.
More than anything I think people are starting to appreciate the older makes and the glass, the glass, the glass.....something very special about the bend and feel in a good glass rod....I would describe it like this because it's a nirvana valhalla type thing....."trying to trace the fine line between God and Physics....not quite there but not here either"

That's just me....I'm sure others have a more logical or technical reason but how fun is that ?


I really don't see how its unfair or hurting the poor sellers? Really ?
Anyway it got moved, thaks
 
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Seeker has been around for quite awhile. For me anyway I've always liked composites and they filled the void after Contender went away. Calstar started composites a bit later I think with the GX series. The thing about Seeker is the wide variety of different glass,graphite, colors and what have you is what drives the interest. Calstar has used the same tried and true material so a rod you bought 25 years ago is pretty much the same as you'd buy today.
Sabre's are nice too, I'm a fan of the grafast series, I think my favorite light bait rod is a 220 grafast and a 540 grafast is a thing of beauty. I also have a Calstar GX9,it's right up there with the Sabre 220.Sabre's can get pricey too, some big dollars in some of those
Like everything almost scarcity drives the market. Is a CEX really that much better than a black steel? Like a $1000 better?

I have a couple of Grafast rods that I bought new at Gemco. These have always gone with me on every trip. Had them rewrapped long ago with Tuna cord grips. Love them.

Also have a Fenwick Pacific Royal 30-80 that lived on a boat for years and the wraps still look 100%. This was there blended rod and its a beast.
 
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Pretty sure people like them because they are good blanks. The aftermarket run up on costs for colors or what not is driven by private sellers, not by seeker themselves that I am aware of. You can still get seeker blanks from tackle stores without the shenanigans. Yes they do some painted or different color runs, but I haven't noticed any gouging on the tackle shop racks when they had them.

BTW, calstar and rainshadow have both done the same thing recently with color runs, I'm sure others as well.
 
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Interesting stuff. I said I'm a shopper but only shop when I'm going to buy.
Just found this crazy Seeker following while looking f or a 2X4.
Anyway now on a gun hunt.
Time to get back into shooting.
 
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I agree with just about everything here..what I think is funny is that none of the handful of hardcore Seeker fanboys here...(we know who they are) NEVER comment when these threads pop up. They know most of it is true. It's like finding out the Easter Bunny or Santa isn't real...lol. Carry on...I love these threads.LOL
 

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either way conversely, I will say many of the seeker 'HATERS' are the ones throwing temper tantrums in the classifieds when they get beat to a sale on a good deal or their trade/offer doesnt get accepted.
 
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    Bought Classic and American series rods back in the late 90s' early 2000s'.
    Cost was reasonable I guess because I have 2.
    Great rods. Have picked up some used for good prices from great people here.
    I like the black steel 7'ftr I got here for $80 bucks. I also like the Allstar 7ftr for $40 bucks here. Last new rod I got is a beauty UC Swim bait rod.
    So nice. Lite and strong $200 bucks. I am not fishing that rod because I have to fish short rods for comfort from my boat. I have an old un-named glass rod in need of new guides re wrapped on it and then I will be happy.
    I guess I fish what I can afford.
    Some new rods have $400- sticker prices on them. Holy crap.
     
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    either way conversely, I will say many of the seeker 'HATERS' are the ones throwing temper tantrums in the classifieds when they get beat to a sale on a good deal or their trade/offer doesnt get accepted.
    Describe "good deal" I have a Seeker 530,i paid 60 bucks for it.That was a good deal.
     
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    How can you people be upset at someone who is selling a great rod to the highest bidder? Something is worth what someone will pay PERIOD
    As far as limited editions... SEEKER made very few limted rods!
    VERY FEW!
    The new Seeker is making rods in colors and sizes that people want. They are making and selling nice rods.
    I have a Rod that can't be reproduced! There are people trying to pass off blue rods for what I have. There is a difference.
     
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    Seeker Classics are called that because Seeker ended up with the old Sabre mandrels. The name Sabre was bought by Penn and has no other connection to the old Sabre (thankfully). Leon Todd (designer/production manager) left Sabre to found Calstar. Randy Penny (designer/production manager) left Seeker to buy UC. Randy invented the rail rod while at Seeker... 1x3, 2x4, 3x5, etc and bettered them at UC with the Raptor, Centaur, Viper, Invictus & Gladiator.
     
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    I agree with just about everything here..what I think is funny is that none of the handful of hardcore Seeker fanboys here...(we know who they are) NEVER comment when these threads pop up. They know most of it is true. It's like finding out the Easter Bunny or Santa isn't real...lol. Carry on...I love these threads.LOL

    I did comment and I also said others would be along with all the technical stuff but just a few thoughts

    Some of the rods that were made long ago cannot be made again because the glass is no longer available/made and that has to do with the EPA among other things so yes....some of those rods are rare and cannot be replicated.
    The original Seekers used a completely different weight of glass in both the E glass and S glass and people that know that also know those will never be made again because it is cost prohibitive and again a lot of that cloth is no longer available.

    The new Seeker product being made is a credit to the new owners of Seeker...they are smart enough to know the ORIGINAL blue glass and Green Glass were quality and they make they colored runs of rods that are pretty and have the colors but felt pen written on the blanks just means it's new stuff

    Anybody that has ever fished an original Black Glass( Red Wraps) or Black Steel/Black Max/ EX/CEX or even the early versions of the Super Seeker and yes they made 3 or 4 versions of the Long Beach SS and has compared them to the same rods being made today know they are like night and day from a quality and glass standpoint and then you get to the actual numbered versions and not the ones that somebody said that there was only 6 or 9 or 12.....yeah the numbered ones are legit and are also Original SS rods in White Uluas and the Translucent Blue D-8....Don't even get me started on the Pinheads.
    The Original Seekers and the fact they are becoming more and more scarce are no different than the want for quality Trulines or Lamiglas or Fenwick, Silaflex, Conolon Roddy etc...... couple the fact that they were made in the USA and I'll take any of those over the crap made in China that has a great warranty any day of the week...it cost them almost nothing to make the Chinese junk and they sell for a premium.....
    People will fish what they can afford from Walmart to the most media/social media driven gear on the market( LTHU) and it is nothing more than personal preference from experience....fish what you are happy with but don't blast people because they fish something else they like.....St Croix come to mind....I love those rods and most people just come up blank when they get mentioned

    Y'all have a nice day :)
     
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