I bought these last summer and immediately upgraded to the Black Steel versions of each. The conventional is a BSC 670-7 rated 20 (30) 50 and a matching spinner BSC 270-7S rated 12 (20) 30. Both probably have minor scratches from a couple party boat trips, neither ever fought a fish that I can recall. $160 for the conventional and $140 for the spinner. Text 619-865-1295.