Seaguar/Yo-Zuri Line Tests

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  1. ifish42na

    ifish42na No Bad Days

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    A dedicated customer sent in some samples to IGFA for testing on their certified equipment.

    Here are the results:

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  2. Brad I

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    Thanks for the info Basil. Roughly supports the rule of thumb I'd heard that spectra usually tests closer to its rated strength than topshots.
     
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    Things that make you go, Hmmmmm.
     
  4. SouthBayKiller

    SouthBayKiller I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    There is much more variation that I would have imagined. How is the testing done?
     
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    Basil

    Have you seen any info on the knot strength of flourocarbons?
     
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    It's done with a tensile testing machine like this one:

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    Yeah and the next production batch from these same manufactures might test differently (in general they almost always have an ABS higher than the label states for obvious reasons... so that is a safe place to start). Perhaps accurate diameter measurements used in the calculation of each sample used in a test like this would provide a better basis (additional factor) for measuring (determining) true ABS of a said product... the slightest variance in diameter during the extrusion process will make a difference in the ABS. QC with frequent calibration maintenance is paramount in the line biz! Some do QC on a consistent basis better than others has been my experience. The line is only as good as the production machine's calibration and the work crew running the machine.

    And then you have those that change their manufacture without disclosing it to the angler. NO set industry standards or regulation allows for line ratings and diameters to be all over the board.

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  8. Steve K

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    Hmm, kind of reinforces my decision to steer away from using that 100 lb Premier down in the buffer zone. Nuff said.
     
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    Curious why? I cannot break off 100# if I tried.

    I was rather impressed by these numbers.
     
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    That difference in breaking strength translates (for me) to a line skinnier than I want to fish. As you know, Premier 130 lb is the diameter of many other manufacturers' 100 lb. Like Seaguar Blue Label, for example.

    What will we use in February?
     
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    Jodie seemed to provide a variety of choices. I will be bringing Soft Steel Invisible Fluorocarbon myself. I like the diameters, and clarity of the product.
     
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    I had the opportunity to use the new Berkley fluorocarbon on my trip this past February. The stuff was really great!!!! easy to tie knots in, strong, just a really nice line. So it's what I bought to use this ( next) years trip in January / February.
     
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    Seems like you have to put the diameters with the line as well, actual ones. Seaguar premier is much thinner so it explains the lower strength. I have no problem fishing it as 100# line expecting it to break at 98#. I would like to see how other brands stack up, especially the soft steel fluoro. Knot strength is just as important though and does vary by line manufacturer. Would it be possible to test those?
     
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    Premier diameters are right on their stated sizes; I have found very little variation using my caliper. Interesting that 130lb and 150lb over test by quite a bit compared to 100lb. Knot strength tests have too many variables so your on your own with that. The tests available here are straight breaks and with current production samples. BTW these lines are drawn to size, not extruded.
     
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    Here is a link to the history of Seaguar (from THEIR website):

    http://www.seaguar.com/about-seaguar.html

    As you will note they use the word "extrusion" quite often, as it is a VERY important part of the overall complex process with regards to the resins used in the manufacturing of fluorocarbon fishing line. The extrusion process directly relates to tested results with regards to ABS, finished dry diameter and flexibility of the end product.

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    Extrusion of the raw resins, yes. But the line itself is drawn to diameter, not pushed through extrusion dies like cheap Taiwanese mono. From the Kureha website:

    http://www.kureha.co.jp/en/business/polymer/seaguar.html

    The manufacturing concept for Seaguar is "integrated process." The Kureha Group handles all aspects of the complex process for making fluorocarbon line in an in-house-developed process that begins with the making of the raw plastic itself. We apply to this raw material extremely delicate spinning and drawing technologies, such as the double structure process and Flexible Non-Twist (FNT) production method, to create high-grade fluorocarbon fishing line.
     
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    Like Wahoodad, I doubt I could break 100# lie either. But I do wonder: Is the abrasion resistance of 130# line a factor to consider? Circle hooks typically catch in the corner of the mouth but if they don't or if the line goes through the other side of the mouth, is there a significantly higher chance of a chew off with 100# than 130#?
     
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    Yes there is. That's the classic trade off. Get bit on the heaviest line you can get the bite. You might choose a different brand of fluoro that's much harder, more diameter and has better abrasion but may not get bit well in some conditions. I'm liking Premier 150lb on the chunk right now. Let's see how that plays out on my trip this December on the X.
     
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    100# Premier is my go to FC when I do use FC.......i have had no problems when using it.....
     
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    I have caught a bunch of cows on 100# Premier. It stretches like regular mono. Ties a killer knot and crimps really well with J aluminum crimps.
     
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