Seaguar or Blackwater Fluro

SeaBasstard

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Just wondering what your guys personal preference was when it came to fluro under 80lbs. I've only used Seaguar with mixed results, is there a better brand of flurocarbon out there, I noticed that the Seaguar gets milky after you catch a couple of fish. Also what knot do you guys use when it comes to connecting fluro to mono. Thanks, - Matt
 
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Yerman

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I've heard many good things about blackwater and I have used it with good success so far. Seaguar is nice as well but I have been stocking up on blackwater
 
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Ready4TheYellow

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Japanese Seaguar...nothing better..

Ohh and we sell it at Baja Fish Gear..I dont think anyone else has it...or can get it..
 
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Smudge

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Find Calcutta flouro. It's Seaguar rebranded at about a 30% cheaper price!!
 
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wahoodad

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Plain ole American label Seaguar for me. I have tried them all, it just works for me in all aspects- abrasion resistance, knot strength, stretch, invisibility.
 
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billyc

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Fluro is Fluro IMO. Blackwater is being hyped an awful lot these days. It work just fine but per the Charkbait survey you need to look at the numbers. I am a Seaguar guy myself.
 
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YANK N CRANK #2

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Seaguar has worked fine for us.. Never used the blackwater...
 
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SeaBasstard

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Thanks guys, this helps! Nice to see some pretty hard core guys sticking with what works and not jumping to the new hot trend. Sounds like I'll be sticking with the Seaguar, by the way is there a big difference between the regular seaguar and the seaguar premiere?? Thanks again for the help. - Matt
 
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wahoodad

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Thanks guys, this helps! Nice to see some pretty hard core guys sticking with what works and not jumping to the new hot trend. Sounds like I'll be sticking with the Seaguar, by the way is there a big difference between the regular seaguar and the seaguar premiere?? Thanks again for the help. - Matt

I have both the regular Seaguar and the Premiere, and like them both but think it goes back to flouro is flouro, period.
 
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hucklongfin

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I use Seaguar with a double surgeons knot for the lighter stuff (<50#).
 
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zigzag

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200 250 300 i use the mamoi.Im sure its some other manufactor .Knot tieing seems easyer for some reason.then i use alot of seguard 80 100 125 150 and like it better than the mamoi,blackwater never used it.Flouro is flouro i guess All I know is when a 600 plus Black Marlin hooks up i dont care if its fish dog floro names and brands i dont take a lot of stock in .I use what works for me .All my 50s have 100lb P Line nothing fancy but the toughest shit going my 80s 130 lb P line .I know what is P line and mamoi.Just my wierdness .I think all around and for the price segard is the deal.
 
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J2DaF

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Plain ole American label Seaguar for me. I have tried them all, it just works for me in all aspects- abrasion resistance, knot strength, stretch, invisibility.

Thought Seaguar is Japanese... part of the Kureha Corporation
 
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Steve K

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Well, we're always encouraging people to use the "Search" function. ;)
Funny how little has changed in 6 years.


Wow...the resurrection of a 6-year old thread...
 
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J2DaF

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Well, we're always encouraging people to use the "Search" function. ;)
Funny how little has changed in 6 years.

googling the differences between blackwater and seaguar is exactly how I landed here... but not knowing that it has been 6 years old...
 
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J2DaF

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japanese 130 METER are dirty cheap if you get them in Asia...
40lb + 50lb ran me total of like 55 dollars...

but did hear from someone that the these orange labeled 130 Meter are not as good as the American version... like Premier? like my japanese 50lb felt much thinner than the seaguar premier 50lb

anyone had experience with this?
 
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Rodless_Jim

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googling the differences between blackwater and seaguar is exactly how I landed here... but not knowing that it has been 6 years old...

You know what? This debate hasn't really changed all that much in six years, but I would say that it has evolved a bit. It's clear to me anyway that different brands of fluoro do have different characteristics, and while diameter really is the overriding differentiator, some fluoros tend to be stiffer and harder to tie than others, regardless of simple diameter.

What has also changed is the perception of how necessary fluoro is...and why. Six years ago, I was fishing 20-30-40-50lb line for offshore schoolie tuna and bigger models at places like Isla Guadalupe and Alijos Rocks. Fluoro offers a huge advantage there, in part because it's less visible to the fish, but in my opinion much more for its abrasion resistance. If you are fishing 40lb line for tuna that might top 100lbs, that abrasion resistance really makes a difference. The same goes for fishing 20-30lbs offshore. I wouldn't fish light line without at least a short fluoro leader, not if there was a shot at a bigger fish. And in lighter weights, most any fluoro can be easily tied.

Nowadays I spend most of my fishing days down in the Lower Zone chasing cow tuna. The last couple of years I have seen that the better anglers get bit just as well using heavy mono as fluoro. The "invisibility factor" really isn't...not for them. I guess that for a less talented angler like myself, fluoro can still make a measurable difference in getting bit. But again, the real advantage is abrasion resistance. I happen to like Seaguar Premier because it ties so well, but I will also use Yo-Zuri, Blackwater, and Seaguar Blue Label...mostly for very heavy applications like kite leaders and big baits.

What was said six years ago remains true, of course. Blackwater is a heck of a lot thicker than Seaguar Premier, even than regular Seaguar Blue Label. How big a difference? When I make a finger trap top shot, I typically insert 100lb fluoro into 100lb hollow spectra, 130 into 130, etc. But 100lb Blackwater wouldn't even go into 100lb JB hollow. The label may have said that I was fishing 100lb fluoro, but it might as well have been marked 130lb...it was that thick, and yes, it was that strong. Once hooked up, I surely appreciated the extra strength, but it meant that my bait wasn't pulling around 100lb fluoro...it was pulling around 130lb fluoro, regardless of how it was marked. And that made it a little harder for me to get bit. Remember, no one is going to put me on a list of expert anglers...I need all the help I can get.

Anyway, what evolution there has been in this discussion---and I would argue that there has been a fair amount---has all been about the nuances. We understood the basics, the advantages and the disadvantages, the fundamental differences between brands six years ago.
 
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jer dog

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googling the differences between blackwater and seaguar is exactly how I landed here... but not knowing that it has been 6 years old...
I fish both and like both of them' and just pick up some seaguar at the last FHS it was buy2 get one free' can't go wrong with that price.
 
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HBTRANSPLANT

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Ive fished both and didn't notice any thing different but the price. Seaguar always seems to have a better price. UNI to UNI 5-9 WRAPS.
 
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