Sashimi with Wahoo??

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    It's all true, wahoo do have parasites. Raw wahoo should be treated like raw salmon. The parasites are a bitch
    to get rid of. Not sayin not to eat it raw but be very careful, do your home work before proceeding.
    I don't know if lime juice will kill the parasites in cevechi, cooking will, freezing at proper time and temp will.
     
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    This is one of the main reasons why I typically leave my fish in the freezers at the processor for a week or two before I head back down to pick them up. Fortunately, I live less than 2 hrs drive from SD, so this works for me.

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    Doesn't freezing the flesh solid for at least a day eliminate the danger of parasites, in general? All of my fish goes into my freezer for a few days before the feast begins.
     
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    It's my understanding that there is a best time and temp for freeze killing parasites. You will have to research that info.
    I'm not sure if a common household freezer is capable of the proper temp for killing parasites. I would be interested
    in any findings.

    Garry
     
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    The above article is talking about general practices of fish like tuna, yellowtail, etc. Not parasitic hosts like salmon and wahoo.
    It also does encourage the practice with at home freezers. To properly kill parasites cryogenic super freezers are used.
    It's is important to not only kill the worms but also the cysts or eggs. These freezers are extremely expensive and are
    used by large fish wholesalers and some large sushi operations. Eating wahoo sashimi maybe delicious but be warned, it is
    risky. I won't even eat it from a sushi bar. They call it white tuna in some establishments.
    Be careful.
     
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    I don't eat any raw fish, ever.
     
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    Read the FAQ question "Can I freeze supermarket bought fish to make it safe?"
     
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    This is all news to me - cryogenic flash freezing, etc. I freeze all of my LR fish solid as a brick and have eaten probably a thousand pounds of it raw. Go figure...
     
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    I have seen many a curly que worm in the flesh of rockfish. Therefore, I will not eat it raw. .
    But a couple of questions I have is, is there a difference between parasites in the gut versus in the flesh? How does it get into the flesh? And can they live in human guts or flesh?
     
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    Eating wahoo, cooked or raw, is extremely dangerous.

    Please ship all of it to me for proper disposal.
     
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    FDA Recommendations on Freezing to Kill Parasites in Fish
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    • Freezing and storing at an ambient temperature of -4°F (-20°C) or below for 7 days (total time);

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    • Freezing at an ambient temperature of -31°F (-35°C) or below until solid and storing at an ambient temperature of -31°F (-35°C) or below for 15 hours;

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    • Freezing at an ambient temperature of -31°F (-35°C) or below until solid and storing at an ambient temperature of -4°F (-20°C) or below for 24 hours.
     
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    I always freeze wahoo for 7 days @ -10 before consuming raw....if there is anything parasitic, it will be destroyed by the cold, just as by heat. HACCP compliance is required by all sushi bars and freezing sashimi prior to consumption is law.
     
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    • Freezing at an ambient temperature of -31°F (-35°C) or below until solid and storing at an ambient temperature of -4°F (-20°C) or below for 24 hours.

    Is freezing at -10F for 7 days equal -31 or below until solid and storing at an ambient temp of -4F?
     
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    As I stated above, this is one of the reasons I leave my fish at the processors for a week or two before I pick it up. I'm just assuming that the processor's freezers are cold enough to eliminate this problem...anybody know for sure?

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    What about all the fresh sushi plates that the chefs serve on board. Most of us have chowed down on that. How many of you got sick or parasites from that? I don't think they freeze it first either.
     
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    I will call and ask Shawn.
    Parasites don't show up overnight, especially the cysts. The cysts are like eggs that embed in the body and hatch at a later date then migrate. These are the hardest to kill since the shell or coating around them is almost alien like in that it doesn not want to
    die.
     
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    Thanks, Gary. I will be very interested in what his reply is...especially since I'm planning on serving up a bunch of wahoo tis Saturday that he processed for me.

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    Spoke with Shawn at F.Processing. their freezer keeps fish down just below zero. They also look very carefully for parasites and cysts when cleaning the fish, particularly the wahoo and groupers.
    It still comes down to being careful when eating raw wahoo, and all fish in general.
     
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    No difference between the two for parasite destruction with exception to the quality of the fish texture and color. We know what happens to tuna on a slow freeze. Nitrogen blast is by far, the best way to go.
     
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