Saragosa SWA 14000 Noob Setup Questions

GreatScott678

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Hi guys -

I'm just getting in to offshore fishing (overnight and 1.5 trips so far, booked a 3 day for next year) and bought a 14k Saragosa. Planning to use it for stickbaits/colt snipers and occasionally live bait. I'd like to be able to use this setup for smaller bft and yellowtail. Anyways this is my first saltwater spinning set up so hoping for a little guidance

Should I go for 50#, 65# or 80# braid?
Are mono topshots a good idea with spinning reels? Or should I just go to a 3' leader of fluoro? Are leaders tied directly to braid or solid ring?

Haven't bought a rod yet, was planning to go to Bob Sands to get it spooled and hold a few different rods in my hands. Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated

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    50lb. u will get 300+ yds line. will do everything u want. u will have tough time landing 80 lb tuna on live bait w 30 lb leader if u have under 300 yds (65 lb). no mono topshot. 4-5 ft leader for live bait. 2-3 ft leader for for jig. tie it directly or use swivel. ur choice. perfect socal spinning reel. pair w 7’6” or 8’ rod rated 30/60.
     
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    Mandaragat

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    A 14000 spool will take 465y of Depth Hunter 50lbs or 400y of Slick 8 65lbs or 375y of JBH 60lbs. PR or FG for solid and L2L for hollow. Use 6ft-10ft of Fluoro in 60-100lbs. This set-up is for pop/stick/jig. I don’t use bait.
     
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    ...use this setup for smaller bft and yellowtail. Anyways this is my first saltwater spinning set up so hoping for a little guidance

    Should I go for 50#, 65# or 80# braid?
    Are mono topshots a good idea with spinning reels? Or should I just go to a 3' leader of fluoro? Are leaders tied directly to braid or solid ring?...

    The 14K has spool capacity equivalent to a BG 5000...a 30 lb setup. My BG 6500 is a step up in size, and it is designated for my 40 lb spin setup:

    BG6500.jpeg


    Matched to a Daiwa Saltist STW70MHFS with a 30-50 rating so 40 lb sits the midrange; you would look for a rod with 30 lb in the midrange. There's 400+ yds of 65 lb braid on the BG 6500; you can target 400+ yds of 50 lb on the 14K.

    My preferred solid braid to top shot is 4'-5' length of 50 lb hollow core using the nail knot/nub technique; for 30 lb top shots it would be 40 lb hollow core.

    NubsNailKnots.jpeg


    Why hollow core (the above has two sets of "locking" nail knot/nub and one tag end set of nail knots for each end of the connection)? Simpler than a serving connection, and far lower profiles than any tied connection knot(s)...will cast cleanly through the rod guides so a top shot of 2-3 rod lengths is not an issue.

    Going with a full spool of hollow core main reduces the group of nail knots/nubs down to 1 and also increases spool capacity.
     
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    hucklongfin

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    My TwinPower 14k has 65# braid and an 80# leader for poppers and stickbaits. I use the ‘gosa 6k and 10k for smaller lures and bait. The 14k will handle YT and BFT up to 100#+. The rod will matter a lot as the fish get bigger!
     
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    hucklongfin

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    Thanks for the pointers, I think I'll put 50lb solid on it and learn how to tie the FG knot for leaders


    Any suggestions on rods to get the most out of this reel?
    Well, my TP 14k is on a Black Hole Cape Code Special 86n. A BH Challenger Bank S801H (I have one too) is a great rod for asking on all comers. I usually have my 10k on it.
     
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    surfgoose

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    Buy the best rod that you can possibly afford. The ROD kills the fish, not the reel. There are a lot of great rods available, and every one of them is over $200, sometimes a lot over.

    And none of it will do any good unless you remember to NOT just tuck the rod butt under your arm to fight. A spinning rod fights with an arc, with the butt down low. Plan on wearing a rod butt cup and use it. Most spinners will let you change the handle side so that you are pulling the rod with your dominant arm, a good thing.

    And try on fishing gloves until you find a pair that is comfortable to wear all day and that protects your index finger properly. If you cast a lot you will put a lot of pressure on your index finger at the last joint, and it is easy to get a line cut. I used to use finger tape, and while it is fine for protecting your thumb with a conventional reel, I found that casting a spinning reel would wear right through it.
     

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    I ended up getting a Black Hole 801H S-801H challenger from Bob Sands and putting 450 yards of 65lb Maxcuatro on the reel. Going to fish it tomorrow for the first time but its incredible how light the rod is

    Great choice.

    I love the Saragosas. The new models are an event better value. that than the previous ones.

    I have the old model 6000 and 10,000 Gosas, and a 14k Twin Power.

    My 6000 Saragosa (old model) has caught so many tuna in the 40-60 pound range. This year on my 10,000 I already have one tuna around 150 ish and another two over 100.

    Because I fish from a private boat, I like to use short jigging rods because you get some much leverage/pulling power with them, and casting is really not an issue with a shorter rod when using a spinning reel. Jigging rods are super light weight too - just insanely fun and comfortable to use.

    From a party boat - a longer rod is probably a good idea - though I used a short 6 foot jigging rod for casting poppers on a 7 day trip on the Excel and had absolutely no problems getting the distance I needed.

    In any event, I would highly recommend adding a 6000 size Gosa, Twin Power or Stella to your inventory. It's my absolutely favorite size reel for fishing offshore tuna/yellows/dorado under 60 pounds. And the 6000 size reel is so much lighter than the next size up (8,000).

    Good luck and great choice!!!
     
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